Death penalty for these evil prisoners

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Manchester bombers brother who helped plan attack is in prison for life.

In 2022 along with another prisoner attacked 3 officers, getting another 3 years added to sentence.

Now just seriously stabbed 2 male prison officers and thrown hot oil on them both and another female officer. Vile, disgusting.

Why is he and similar other evil prisoners being housed in comfort in a separation centre, highly staffed with their own cooking facility?

Needs putting down. Save millions. He's no good to anyone. A rabbid dog that just attacks anyone that goes near him. How many more prison officers will he be allowed to stab or throw hot oil over.

That and, it costs substantially more to serve the death penalty than it does to imprison someone for life so the argument over costs is null and void.

Some people (like the criminal in the op) are absolute shits, deserve no sympathy and the world would be a better place without them.

But I'm still opposed to the death penalty.

We know that innocent people have been hanged in the past. Others who were convicted of serious crimes after the repeal of capital punishment, served years in prison before their sentences were overturned because they were innocent eg the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Colin Stagg and Stefan Kiszko (16 years in prison, died a year after his release, I remember his lovely mum who spent years campaigning for him). If they had been convicted at a time when the death penalty was available, they would have been sentenced to be killed.

If we don't have the death penalty, vile people will be imprisoned at the tax payers' expense.

If we do have the death penalty, innocent people will be killed on our behalf.

I think that the former is by far the lesser of 2 evils.

It would save the country a lot of money too
That's not the case in other developed countries. Usually, death penalty sentences result in a much longer trials and a signficantly prolonged appeals process (which, to be fair, they should) and the increased legal costs usually greatly outweigh the savings of shorter incarceration.

In the US, death penalty cases can cost the state up to ten times more than life imprisonment.

ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/

Southport? Manchester Arena? Lee Rigby? The fairground paedophile torture and murder gang? The Killamarsh murders?
Remorseless monsters need to be put to death.

Nope, the death penalty is never justified. Ever. It's not a deterrent, it makes terrorists into martyrs, loads of people subsequently proven innocent have been executed, and it's not even cost-effective. Because of all the legal processes that have to be gone through, execution in the US costs millions of dollars and is MASSIVELY more expensive than the cost of life without parole, even if that person ends up in jail for 60+ years.

Exactly. The death penalty isn't even cost effective.

Given that seems to be the best argument anyone can actually come up with for it, it completely demolishes any justification for it at all.

I think there's plenty of people who deserve whole-life tariffs, and there are, of course, plenty of people who have them - that to me is an absolutely colossal punishment, even if you end up in a fairly cushy jail. I don't think we need anything harsher than that.

I disagree totally with the concept that the state should have the right to decide that certain groups of people should be killed. Even if those people are prisoners who have done awful things. We are all protected while the state cannot kill any of us. Once we let that genie back out of the bottle who knows where it will lead? All it takes is a rogue government and any of us could be in the crosshairs if our face no longer fits. If you think I'm crazy or paranoid just look at the state of the world and think how much of it you would have said was not possible just a few years ago.

Thank goodness you were here to suggest "but what if the person had done very bad things?"

I'm sure that scenario hadn't even crossed the PP's mind.

Life should mean life but invariably people are released early and many go on to kill & harm again.

I think China claims it's cost effective but who knows.

Killing a criminal just makes murderers of us too. Yes, life should be life, and without extras. Just basic amenities as suggested in that POA report.

I really, really don't want a penny of UK finances spent on this vile waste of space. I abhor the thought of the death penalty but in certain cases.....

All murderers think their actions can be justified. This includes murders sanctioned by the state. I want to live in a society that treats everyone as humanely as possible no matter what they have done.

The real joke is the millions of innoceng people who are free in society yet can't afford the very basics that these prisoners are given for free. People being made homeless every day and unale to feed themselves to a very basic degree. Fucking joke.of a country

Well it probably is cost effective in China, and any other country with scant regard for human rights or fair trials.

In the US, convicts who are sentenced to death average around 20 years on death row, largely due to the robust appeals system (which, of course, still results in innocent people being executed.

In China, it's far swifter. See for example Huugjilt; an 18 year old who was the first to attend a scene of a rape and murder, and reported it to the police. He was convinced and executed within 61 days.

The actual murderer confessed around a decade later.

China also has an extremely high conviction rate (about 90%) which is extremely high and unlikely to be consistent with a fair and just system.

If people are comfortable with tossing out our justice system, and insteqd just let the government execute citizens on scant evidence, without a fair trial or rigjts to appeal, then the death penalty would indeed be a big cost saver.

Honestly, while I get (and sometimes share) the impulse to want to see heinous criminals executed, there is nothing good about the death penalty. I can't believe it's still subject to so much debate.

Nope. Choosing to kill them reduces me, not their crimes.

No.

Well as someone who had 2 very close family members at the Ariana Grande concert that night & luckily lived to tell the tale - I would be happy to volunteer to shoot the bastard or flick the switch.

And I'm usually against the death penalty
But when it happens to your loved ones you may change your mind

Edited: spelling

I think they should get solitary confinement. No going out of cells ever. If they are locked in their cell in a high security unit with no access to anything they won't be able to harm others. No exercise either just let them rot within their cell.

Did you agree with the execution of Ruth Ellis or was her's a crime of passion?
What about other abused women who the men abusing them?

The issue is that there are much more premeditated, really nasty cases of manslaughter than there are murder.

In the cases of deaths of children, a manslaughter/neglect conviction is usually the norm. In this case he wouldn't have got the death sentence because he was only 20 at the time of the offence and even if he had, it would still be under appeal.
I doubt that the people the public wouldn't want to exist, would be the ones getting the death sentence.

In my opinion, a civilised society should never have a death penalty. It isn’t just the issue of state killing and finding an efficient way of doing it, or the morality of the killing. What people who are in favour of never seem to consider is the effects on everyone involved. The Jurors in murder trials struggling with bringing in a guilty verdict for fear of being wrong, or because they can’t bear the idea of state killing. The Judges who have to give the sentence. The prison officers who have to care for the convicted person until they are killed, including during the night before the killing is to be carried out, then to escort them to the death chamber (as they call it in the US) and accompany them whilst they are killed. My ex husband was a prison officer, a ‘man’s man’, quite tough. He worked in the toughest jails in the UK during his career (he’s retired now) and with some of the worst of the worst of men, but he didn’t agree with the death penalty and would have found it traumatic to work with those who would have to undergo it. Then there are the executioners. There is a high risk of psychological harm being caused to all of these innocents in having the death penalty.

This isn't a popular view, but we should have questioned giving sanctuary to that particular family. I think that we downplay terrorism by individuals influenced by ISIS and as we've seen in the Southport case, we don't take enough seriously. No other group orders to kill the way Isis extremists do.

It is from that perspective. That people are envious of people in prison because they get a roof over their heads and three meals a day.

Obviously they can't choose what they eat, wear or to to open a window and get some fresh air but they do get fed.

Fundamental problem: to carry out executions, the state has to turn civil servants, doctors etc into murderers.

Basically, state sanctioned serial killers.

How would they be recruited? Via Linkedin / Indeed? 'Job role: Executioner. Necessary experience and personal qualities include ... '?

How would they be trained? Who would do the training? By definition the first executioners would be untrained amateurs as there's no-one left here.

So there would need to be a visa / work permit to begin with. Category: subject matter expert in training execution techniques.

How would they practice? On animals? How would we justify that in terms of animal welfare? Or bypassing that, would they go straight in to killing people and learn on the job?

What kind of person would that attract?

And by allowing them permission to kill, might they find they have a taste for it and find their own victims?

And if they dont start off being a psychopath, what does being an executioner do to a person? Their mental health? To their partners and children?

We've left all that barbarity behind in the UK. We're better than that.