Death penalty for these evil prisoners

[Sameoldsameoldsame]

Manchester bombers brother who helped plan attack is in prison for life.

In 2022 along with another prisoner attacked 3 officers, getting another 3 years added to sentence.

Now just seriously stabbed 2 male prison officers and thrown hot oil on them both and another female officer. Vile, disgusting.

Why is he and similar other evil prisoners being housed in comfort in a separation centre, highly staffed with their own cooking facility?

Needs putting down. Save millions. He's no good to anyone. A rabbid dog that just attacks anyone that goes near him. How many more prison officers will he be allowed to stab or throw hot oil over.

sameoldsameoldsame I definitely wouldn’t let them out of prison, ever. People need to be kept safe. Some people can be rehabilitated ( but it’s very expensive and mostly we won’t pay for it) but when someone has committed such horrors they need to be imprisoned for their whole life. Rehabilitation cannot be guaranteed but the public needs to have confidence in the system which they would not have if these people were ever released.
Incidentally, I believe it costs more to execute than to imprison for life. Someone may know more on that but I believe that if cost is part of the argument it serves the life imprisonment option.

I can't understand why some people are so eager to empower the government to legally kill its citizens, not least given that high profile miscarriages of justice continue to happen.

Taking the US as an example, around 12% of people sentenced to death are ultimately exonerated before sentence (and, of course, other innocent people are not so lucky).

So you’re up for public beheadings?

You're contradicting yourself now. On one hand you're saying we should kill them, then you're demanding they are treated humanely. Can't have it both ways.

We don't have the death penalty because the British people consistently vote for MPs, parties, and governments that oppose the death penalty. Simple really.

It’s a difficult subject, but on balance I think that people who have been proven to be guilty of premeditated murder should be given the death penalty. And I mean the murders in which there can be no other potential suspect ie. It is a watertight case and not a crime of passion. I can’t see how humane injection can cost more than imprisoning multiple criminals for the rest of their lives. Keeping people imprisoned for life is horrendously expensive and dangerous to the staff doing those jobs.
At present there is little deterrent and prisons are overstuffed.

Well, that and the UK is a party to international treaties that prohibit the death penalty so, if we were to reinstate the death penalty, we would be waiving goodbye to safeguards of various other human rights and it'd likely significantly hurt the country's reputation and standing.

Does the death penalty work as a deterrent?

It deters the person being put to death. They can't do it again.

Prison isn’t a nice place and we have enough prisoner abuse cases showing it is systemic in US prisons in that prison guards often beat, torture and sexually abuse prisoners.

I think a full inquiry should be made and cctv of every moment of the prisoners life screened before assuming he is just attacking for no reason.

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I fear the death penalty, in case of a miscarriage of justice.

Where there's no doubt - as in this case - however, then I'll set aside my scruples.

On the one hand, imprisoning this person under harsh conditions might be more of a punishment; on the other hand, he's continuing to be a danger.

Did you actually think that's what was being asked?

How was he able to access an implement that he could use to stab the staff and access to hot oil?

Unfortunately, though, it's hard to set the "no doubt" threshold. Its hard to see scope for doubt here, outside of the extremely remote possibility of falsified evidence, but people have been executed when no doubt was though to have existed (only for better evidence, or proof of falsified evidence, to subsequently come to light).

And in order to reinstate the death penalty, we would need to leave the ECHR, which provides an important backstop against potential human rights abuses that could be inflicted upon us by our own government.

I'm not prepared to throw my human rights protections out the window for the sake of executing some dangerous extremists, who could be controlled by more restrictive conditions of incarceration.

I suppose, though none of us know our ‘death date’ - I don’t think i’d want to know tbh.

You will never convince me that there are any circumstances under which killing another human being as punishment is ever justified. No matter what they have done.

I can see that point of view. It just seems especially cruel to me. Average time on death row in Japan is 6 years. In my state, it's 21 years.

Hardly any countries in the western world have the death penalty.

And incentivises others to kill more people. Death penalty for x offence? Time to wipe out complications like partners, wives, mothers and children, any potential witnesses, if that police officer stops me, I'm dead, so better kill them, too, and then there's a useful hostage because I'm fighting for my life here.

But he’s hardly innocent and his behaviour shows he cares nothing for other people, there are plenty of people in prison where there is no doubt of their guilt, the piece of sh1t from Stockport as a prime example, who really don’t deserve to live

I’ll never agree with the death penalty. It doesn’t matter if the courts only make a mistake once every 100 years, it’s too late then. A posthumous pardon doesn’t mean a lot to a corpse 🤷‍♀️

Besides, I’d say that life without parole in solitary confinement is a fate worse than death anyway.

I totally agree. He is no longer a risk to public safety but in the confines of a prison, a higher risk to the other prisoners and the prison staff who are not paid enough to face this evil monster.
It would save the country a lot of money too

This has got me conflicted and I am usually anti- capital punishment. I don't believe this man is capable of remorse or rehabilitation, sadly.

The best thing to be might be to accidentally ensure some of his prison enemies have access to him...

We’re too civilised now and it will be our downfall.