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To think Lucy Connolly has been made an example of?

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SouthernFashionista · 06/04/2025 22:43

Have any of you read this article about Lucy Connolly who tweeted inflammatory comments following the Southport murders? I have to admit that at the time I was fully supportive of having her locked up, with the key thrown away. But reading this article made me view it all a little differently. Surely she has done her time?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/04/lucy-connolly-southport-riots-axel-rudakubana-taylor-swift/

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sharkanado · 07/04/2025 07:42

I fully agree that Huw Edwards should have been jailed and I was surprised he wasn’t.

He's rich

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:43

IveGotAnUnusuallyLargePelvisISwear · 07/04/2025 07:41

I fully agree that Huw Edwards should have been jailed and I was surprised he wasn’t. It doesn’t mean Connolly shouldn’t have been jailed though. All these horrendous people who avoid jail/get stupidly short sentences for what they’ve done doesn’t mean people like her shouldn’t be sentenced to prison time, even a sentence as long as she got.

Well, it sort of does.

What does it say when child abusers, violent men and rapists walk free after being found guilty but people tweeting get prison time?

It says you’re better off actually committing crimes than threatening them.

Dweetfidilove · 07/04/2025 07:43

YABU! No sympathy for anyone inciting racial violence. And as someone who's lost a child, I'd expect she wouldn't want to put the lives of other people's children in danger.

She'll be just fine where she is and after.

UrinalCake · 07/04/2025 07:43

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 07/04/2025 07:06

According to the judge who sentenced her:

  • it wasn't the first racist tweet she'd sent
  • in WhatsApp messages after she laughed about it and said that if she got into trouble for it she'd deny sending it and "play the mental health card"

Allison Pearson has somewhat misquoted the judge's sentencing remarks, which are published online

Allison Pearson making an inaccurate claim? Well I never!

Contentment1628 · 07/04/2025 07:44

By any objective measure her sentence was ridiculously harsh.

For justice to be trusted there has to be a clear and transparent range of sanctions imposed that are comparable with the relative seriousness of the offences committed. In this case that balance has clearly been breached which leads to a major distrust of the justice system.

The problem with this case is that anyone who points that out is invariably met with howls of derision claiming the perpetrator is a vile individual. That may or may not be the case but either way it clearly doesn’t warrant such a lengthy custodial when compared to other offences and sentencing.

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:46

Google Rees Newman and tell me putting people in prison for tweeting doesn’t affect the sentencing of child rapists.

IveGotAnUnusuallyLargePelvisISwear · 07/04/2025 07:49

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:43

Well, it sort of does.

What does it say when child abusers, violent men and rapists walk free after being found guilty but people tweeting get prison time?

It says you’re better off actually committing crimes than threatening them.

She did commit a crime though. That’s why she’s in prison.

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:52

IveGotAnUnusuallyLargePelvisISwear · 07/04/2025 07:49

She did commit a crime though. That’s why she’s in prison.

i didn’t say she didn’t commit a crime.

Some crimes deserve prisons sentences, when prisons are overcrowded we need to be selective about who serves prisons time.
People who tweet violence shouldn’t take precedent over people who have actually committed violence. Community service and reeducation classes would be a much better use of the judiciary system.

User32459 · 07/04/2025 07:52

An example was made out of her and many others after the riots because it terrified the government. People in jail for attacking place and arson etc. deserved what they got, rather than social media posts.

I guess what did for her was pleading guilty.

Freedbagforlife · 07/04/2025 07:53

Looking after 6 toddlers at once. Isn’t that above the childminder numbers allowed? Not the point of the article but that doesn’t sound like a safe ratio.

xanthomelana · 07/04/2025 07:53

IveGotAnUnusuallyLargePelvisISwear · 07/04/2025 07:49

She did commit a crime though. That’s why she’s in prison.

So did the rapists and child abusers but yet they either don’t go to prison or get a lesser sentence. Surely you can see the problem here with our justice system.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 07/04/2025 07:54

Contentment1628 · 07/04/2025 07:44

By any objective measure her sentence was ridiculously harsh.

For justice to be trusted there has to be a clear and transparent range of sanctions imposed that are comparable with the relative seriousness of the offences committed. In this case that balance has clearly been breached which leads to a major distrust of the justice system.

The problem with this case is that anyone who points that out is invariably met with howls of derision claiming the perpetrator is a vile individual. That may or may not be the case but either way it clearly doesn’t warrant such a lengthy custodial when compared to other offences and sentencing.

Once again , that’s not how it works. When sentencing you don’t compare the crime to other crimes and the guidelines for those other crimes. There are clear guidelines, which depend on the seriousness/category of the crime and level of culpability and that’s it. LC pled guilty to the highest levels of both for this particular crime(2-6 years in the guidelines) , which automatically meant at least a 2 year sentence. You could claim the extra 7 months were unjust and unduly harsh, and that’s fair enough .

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 07/04/2025 07:56

She’s certainly had a tough life. That doesn’t mean she can post inflammatory racist shite.

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WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 07/04/2025 07:56

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:52

i didn’t say she didn’t commit a crime.

Some crimes deserve prisons sentences, when prisons are overcrowded we need to be selective about who serves prisons time.
People who tweet violence shouldn’t take precedent over people who have actually committed violence. Community service and reeducation classes would be a much better use of the judiciary system.

Not when the crime she pled guilty to and the level she pled guilty to doesn’t have that sentencing as an option. The judge can’t just make shit up on the spot.

User32459 · 07/04/2025 07:56

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:37

I’m waiting patiently for Ricky Jones’ trial.

Lucy Connolly pleaded guilty to inciting racial violence.

Ricky Jones pleaded not guilty.

Personally I think both should get broadly the same punishment (whatever that is) but he'll get a proper trial with good lawyers. The ones who were quickly sent to jail were badly advised to plead guilty.

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:57

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 07/04/2025 07:56

Not when the crime she pled guilty to and the level she pled guilty to doesn’t have that sentencing as an option. The judge can’t just make shit up on the spot.

Judges who released child rapists seemed to…

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:58

User32459 · 07/04/2025 07:56

Lucy Connolly pleaded guilty to inciting racial violence.

Ricky Jones pleaded not guilty.

Personally I think both should get broadly the same punishment (whatever that is) but he'll get a proper trial with good lawyers. The ones who were quickly sent to jail were badly advised to plead guilty.

Absolutely. It’ll be expensive and he’ll walk.

Stegochops · 07/04/2025 07:58

I don’t have any sympathy for her. I felt unable to take my children out whilst the riots were going on in case they experienced hate and violence because they aren’t white. The worst thing is now I know that they will never be accepted as British, even though they were born here. We live with that every day. She didn’t care that there were children and mothers in those hotel. Police were hurt - it must have cost millions.

If people of colour started riots against white people would you genuinely be ok with people who incited that violence not going to prison?

It’s very sad that she lost a child but that doesn’t give her the right to behave unlawfully and with hatred towards others.

BeaAndBen · 07/04/2025 08:01

She incited racial hatred.

She boasted about it to a friend and how she’d “play the mental health card” to evade consequences.

Of course the sentence is justified.

The shameful state of the justice system when it comes to male (particularly sexual) violence doesn’t stop this offence being serious.

Genevieva · 07/04/2025 08:03

Her tweet was nasty, but nastiness is not illegal. She pleaded guilty to inciting violence on the advice that she would get a suspended sentence. Whether it incited violence is questionable. She deleted it so quickly that few people saw it and there is no evidence that someone saw it and was then spurred on to commit arson. Consequently, she is unlikely to have been found guilty at a jury trial.

She is also eligible for a tag, but had been told she won’t get it for political reasons that are not relevant to the guidelines on giving it. That is very concerning.

The upshot is that she has been given an opportunity to appeal her conviction. She wouldn’t be given this if there we no concerns over due process in her case. We will have to wait and see.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 07/04/2025 08:05

Genevieva · 07/04/2025 08:03

Her tweet was nasty, but nastiness is not illegal. She pleaded guilty to inciting violence on the advice that she would get a suspended sentence. Whether it incited violence is questionable. She deleted it so quickly that few people saw it and there is no evidence that someone saw it and was then spurred on to commit arson. Consequently, she is unlikely to have been found guilty at a jury trial.

She is also eligible for a tag, but had been told she won’t get it for political reasons that are not relevant to the guidelines on giving it. That is very concerning.

The upshot is that she has been given an opportunity to appeal her conviction. She wouldn’t be given this if there we no concerns over due process in her case. We will have to wait and see.

310k people is not “a few”.

HollyGolightly4 · 07/04/2025 08:05

Too many people engaging in whataboutism on this thread. She broke the law, and admitted to it.

Despite the very real problems this country has with rape convictions, and imprisonment of violent offenders, that remains the crux of the matter.

The article is a load of emotive twaddle deliberately designed to stir up emotions in its middle class readership.

There's a book by Jon Ronson 'So you've been publicly shamed'. Few years old now but well worth a read.

User32459 · 07/04/2025 08:05

TENSsion · 07/04/2025 07:57

Judges who released child rapists seemed to…

If our pathetic liberal judges and courts were as strong with criminals and rapists as they were with the moral panic of the rioters/inciters last year, then the country wouldn't be in the state it's in.

whathaveiforgotten · 07/04/2025 08:06

Unitarily · 07/04/2025 01:23

It’s a tricky one. What she wrote makes you recoil in instant disgust.

Equally I remember a time not long ago that ‘TERFs die in a fire’ or similar was pretty standard par on daily Twitter. Did I think omg these people are actually going to try and burn women alive. Or that they should be jailed. No I just thought they are complete pieces of trash and a disgrace.

I am not sure people should be jailed for tweets. Certainly not a one off moment of madness tweet. Maybe a continued campaign trying to radicalise others yes that becomes more jail worthy.

Either way she’s served her time absolutely and the whole thing is at this point completely unjust.

And I had no idea about her background and her son. That is just heartbreaking.

But if, for example, there was a conference set to be attended by the feminists that TRAs were writing those sort of tweets about, and the tweet said ‘set fire to the hotels full of the TERFS for all I care” knowing that crowds of people had already formed outside of those hotels, civil unrest was already occurring, it was therefore a realistic thing to actually happen rather than purely hypothetical and tensions were very high, would you feel differently?

Genevieva · 07/04/2025 08:08

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 07/04/2025 08:05

310k people is not “a few”.

It is when not one of them is proven to have acted on her ‘for all I care’ comment.

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