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Kingof93 · 2025-04-01T10:07:03+00:00

Just would like some input on this. Im being asked to send money to my sons bank account to then go into his parent pay to cover meals and school trips. I have no issue in doing this as I do earn more than his mother. I have asked to be given the details for parent pay so I can send the money directly as I also do not have access to his bank account so I have no proof that the money is actually being used for school meals and trips etc. To give context I first asked for bank access when the acct was set up (9 years now) and to parent pay when he started at the school. My ex partner has always refused me access to both. I have until now not pushed back on this and now im doing so she is emailing me the same email about paying repeatedly. I am more than happy to pay it I just want to see where the money goes.

Balloonney · 01/04/2025 12:01

Why not go through CMS? If you begrudge this then I honestly don't believe you're spending above and beyond what you'd be legally liable to pay out of the goodness of your heart. This way it's formalised and no back and forth and asking for top ups- I'm sure you've already considered this though.

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:02

Blimey. She's not putting up barriers, she doesn't have to give you the original of the birth cert when you could get a copy for about £10 I think. Help yourself out here.

onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:02

This is confusing , you offered for a year and she said no. She is now asking for your help but you are suspicious of this and what she’s doing with it? Assuming he eats at school and has school trips this needs paying for anyway doesn’t it?

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:03

I do love how this turns on me being unreasonable. This is one small issue in a bigger set in all honesty as presently she wont give me back my own passport.

There is also the issue of when I asked "where are you taking the boys for the weekend" I get nothing.

I am trying to be the one who is open and honest and Id rather not have to chase a million things down when I should be able to ask and the other parent acts in a reasonable manner.

Ill hand over any money thats needed. I dont mind never will. But in return for my cooperation I would only ask for some answers in response.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:04

onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:02

This is confusing , you offered for a year and she said no. She is now asking for your help but you are suspicious of this and what she’s doing with it? Assuming he eats at school and has school trips this needs paying for anyway doesn’t it?

It does but there wouldn't be this issue if as I wanted all along that this was split 5050.

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SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:05

It is not unreasonable for you to get your own copy of the child's birth certificate, that you want. She does not have to facilitate you in this. You can easily achieve it for yourself for a few pounds, why on earth wouldn't you do it? And it reduces the need for you to interact with your ex, so I'd have thought it was a win-win.

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:06

So, instead of solving the issue for the benefit of the children, you are just going to bleat about how she is being unfair?

And before you get on your high horse about how as a man you're being treated more meanly than a woman would... rubbish. women are routinely told on here that they just have to suck it up if their ex is being a dick. that yup, it's not fair, but there's not a lot they can do about it. Although, I'd ask a different question - why is it that you aren't willing to pay th emoney or put the effort in for a birth certificate, but you expect HER to track it down, and give you HER copy with no guarantee she'll get it back, at which point she then has to do the work to order a new copy? Or a third question - perhaps she doesn't want you putting money for the chidlren into a bank account she can't access? She needs the money to pay for things NOW, not as a saving for later and you seem to be suggesting you'l put the. money into their accounts rather than hers. That's not terribly helfpul for day to day costs, is it?

So decide what you are willing and able to pay and, assuming it is at least the equivalent of CMS or more, pay that. Stop demanding receipts - you're clearly not goign to get them. If you think school meals is something you can and should pay for - contact the school, check the menu, see what the price is, and transfer sufficient cash for your DS to eat xx school meals per week.

And yes, if you want a birth certificate and she won't give it to you, pay the £12 to order a new one. And if you want to know what the real cost of school trips is.... get yourself added to the school's email distribution list so that you can receive the same information she does and attend the same meetings about what is happening as she does. Stop being so passive.

onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:07

Still confused but like pp said you should be able to get a log in for the parent pay account, but even if it has already been paid why does it matter if you pay after and she uses it for her car?

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:09

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:05

It is not unreasonable for you to get your own copy of the child's birth certificate, that you want. She does not have to facilitate you in this. You can easily achieve it for yourself for a few pounds, why on earth wouldn't you do it? And it reduces the need for you to interact with your ex, so I'd have thought it was a win-win.

I will have to do this. I thought asking for it would be the decent thing to do as getting a copy felt like I was being "sneeky"

Im trying at all times to be reasonable about everything. I just ask for simple things. I dont ask for the world and for a break down of things just a "ok fine can I know where at least"

This past weekend I planned on seeing my family on saturday so they had mothers day at home. But come friday they had all gone away and I didnt know where or when they would come back. I didnt want an exact address I just wanted to know a town so I could be sure of their safety and hers. I called and left a VM and nothing. They came back Sunday night is all I know. It meant my time with my eldest and his swimming coach was missed and I couldnt cancel it.

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dogcatkitten · 01/04/2025 12:10

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:55

I would need copies of birth certs to set up savings accts and Im not permitted to have those. I have asked as has my mother. But its been refused.

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You can order birth certificates, you don't need anyone's permission, it just costs a few pounds. It's easy if you know the date and place of birth, if it's in the UK.

Ronsealit · 01/04/2025 12:12

Email the school directly and they can send you a code to set up Parent Pay.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:13

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:06

So, instead of solving the issue for the benefit of the children, you are just going to bleat about how she is being unfair?

And before you get on your high horse about how as a man you're being treated more meanly than a woman would... rubbish. women are routinely told on here that they just have to suck it up if their ex is being a dick. that yup, it's not fair, but there's not a lot they can do about it. Although, I'd ask a different question - why is it that you aren't willing to pay th emoney or put the effort in for a birth certificate, but you expect HER to track it down, and give you HER copy with no guarantee she'll get it back, at which point she then has to do the work to order a new copy? Or a third question - perhaps she doesn't want you putting money for the chidlren into a bank account she can't access? She needs the money to pay for things NOW, not as a saving for later and you seem to be suggesting you'l put the. money into their accounts rather than hers. That's not terribly helfpul for day to day costs, is it?

So decide what you are willing and able to pay and, assuming it is at least the equivalent of CMS or more, pay that. Stop demanding receipts - you're clearly not goign to get them. If you think school meals is something you can and should pay for - contact the school, check the menu, see what the price is, and transfer sufficient cash for your DS to eat xx school meals per week.

And yes, if you want a birth certificate and she won't give it to you, pay the £12 to order a new one. And if you want to know what the real cost of school trips is.... get yourself added to the school's email distribution list so that you can receive the same information she does and attend the same meetings about what is happening as she does. Stop being so passive.

Thank you and I appreciate your candour on all this. Im happy to suck it up. I really just want the minimal details. So im aware of the things that will happen.

I had no intention of playing the hard done by card but I am allowed to ask questions of her and I would hope I can have answers. So far Ive had to stop visiting my family on sundays as she didnt like that. Ive had to cancel one swim coach for another at her request.

I have to avoid certain things at her request for them and I agree every time. I know its all hard for her and them and I agreed to make it easier but when I ask for her to make things easier in reply I dont get that.

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EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 01/04/2025 12:13

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:00

I understand your thoughts but why when im one parent should I be forced to pay for additional copes of a birth cert?

If you co parent there shouldnt be odd barriers set up by the mother when im not doing the same.

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I saw where you were coming from before but here you're being ridiculous and making excuses. If your concern is the children not getting the money you have your solutions, open you own bank account for them, get your own parent login, if you have questions about school contact the school, its not your exs responsibility to facilitate your parenting.

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:14

Is your Saturday to take your DS to swimming a formal, regular arrangement? If so, then yes, you should have been informed that they were going away. if, however, it's a loose arrangement that is not formal and that you don't always do, then it's not unreasonable for her to make other plans if you hadn't confirmed in advance.

Unfortunately, assuming both parents have parental responsibility, the other one does not have any right to know exactly where the children are while they are with the othe parent. I can see how that can be distressing for either parent, but it is what it is. In this case, I'm not sure why you would think they're unsafe so while it is potentially a bit annoying, it's not really the end of the world - they went away for the weekend, unless there's some massive backstory there's no reason to believe they're unsafe.

If you want the birth certificate, and she says no as she doesn't want to give you her copy, then it's not a big deal to say, "okay, I'm going to order one then, thanks." It's also not weird she doesn't want to give you her only copy. I wouldn't.

I don't know why she won't give you YOUR passport back. But if that's the case, just apply for a new one and tell them the old one has been lost/stolen. Which it has.

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:15

It’s not being sneaky. You’re the other parent, it’s entirely reasonable for you to do this. You can always tell your ex that you’re doing it and why, without making a big thing about it.

Regarding your passport, if she really is withholding it from you then report it lost and get a new one issued. Yes it will cost but again, it takes it out of her control and it becomes a non-issue.

Regarding contact days, perhaps those need to be formalised in court if your ex isn’t sticking to what was agreed informally.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:15

onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:07

Still confused but like pp said you should be able to get a log in for the parent pay account, but even if it has already been paid why does it matter if you pay after and she uses it for her car?

If she wanted help paying for car repairs then ask for that instead. I paid for car repairs in January and also paid for the tyres she needed late last year. I wasnt required too but I did as I want her and the children safe.

If you want something just ask.

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MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:17

How exactly does this arrangement work? it seems to me that you seem to feel you're being asked for money at random intervals. Why don't you just agree a set amount and pay that. The set amount taking into account what you both think is reasonable regarding the costs for the children. So a contribution to rent/food etc, plus a share of extra costs liek phones, hobbies, activities, clothes, uniform etc. Then all this angst goes away. I can't imagine anything worse than having to ask for money all the time, or, for that matter, being asked for money all the time.

It's also not clear from your posts how much time you have the DC and how that works. Is it a reglar, set schedule or ad hoc. Again, I'd go for reguarl set schedule to avoid this trauma of negotiating each contact time.

Cannaeberught · 01/04/2025 12:17

Contact school, get your own log in.
Sounds like you may also need to formalise contact if she’s playing silly buggers or not keen on more open comms for whatever reason.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:19

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:14

Is your Saturday to take your DS to swimming a formal, regular arrangement? If so, then yes, you should have been informed that they were going away. if, however, it's a loose arrangement that is not formal and that you don't always do, then it's not unreasonable for her to make other plans if you hadn't confirmed in advance.

Unfortunately, assuming both parents have parental responsibility, the other one does not have any right to know exactly where the children are while they are with the othe parent. I can see how that can be distressing for either parent, but it is what it is. In this case, I'm not sure why you would think they're unsafe so while it is potentially a bit annoying, it's not really the end of the world - they went away for the weekend, unless there's some massive backstory there's no reason to believe they're unsafe.

If you want the birth certificate, and she says no as she doesn't want to give you her copy, then it's not a big deal to say, "okay, I'm going to order one then, thanks." It's also not weird she doesn't want to give you her only copy. I wouldn't.

I don't know why she won't give you YOUR passport back. But if that's the case, just apply for a new one and tell them the old one has been lost/stolen. Which it has.

We kept all passports together for ease when traveling in years past. It made sense.

Every sunday for the past 3 years my DS has swimming coaching. The only weekends he doesnt are the next 2 when the pool is closed for work and she knew this as she gets the emails from the coach.

I showed up friday to see them and an empty house (My house that Im not living in)

I dont ever ask for exact details of trips she does. I know they are safe but I dont think me asking for a location "The coast" "wales" is unfair. Maybe Ive some adjusting to do.

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Cannaeberught · 01/04/2025 12:19

If she GENUINELY is refusing to give you your passport - I would tell her you’re reporting that to the police. She needs to give it back asap. If she has lost it then you just have to order a new one. She sounds like a pain in the hole…

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:22

Every sunday for the past 3 years my DS has swimming coaching. The only weekends he doesnt are the next 2 when the pool is closed for work and she knew this as she gets the emails from the coach.

And do you always take him to this swimming? It's a set, regular arrangement whereby you turn up to collect him and take him to swimming? In which case, yes, she should have informed you.

I showed up friday to see them and an empty house (My house that Im not living in)
Do you always cme on a friday to see them? is this a formal arrangement? Or do you just turn up when you feel like it? If the latter, then no, they don't need to inform you when they're not going to be there.

dont ever ask for exact details of trips she does. I know they are safe but I dont think me asking for a location "The coast" "wales" is unfair. Maybe Ive some adjusting to do.

Sure, I agree in theory. But if th erelationship has broken down, then this isn't going to happen. Irritating, but it is what it is. I remember a friend really struggling because her ex wouldn't give her his address when he had their toddler. It was awful, but not illegal.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:22

My time is saturday mornings and all day sunday. Every week as I work saturday nights.

This trip away isnt the first time and the last time she emailed me afterwards and asked me to pay for the trip. I did.

It is a confusing situation as I agree she could stay in the house we bought. She does not contribute to the bills for this house and I pay for the rest. Im luckily in a position that I have an alternative in my folks having property.

Im going to request what I can now.

I do thank you all for being honest and its been really helpful. I know this situation seems fully bizarre but splitting up can be and mine is very odd.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:24

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:22

Every sunday for the past 3 years my DS has swimming coaching. The only weekends he doesnt are the next 2 when the pool is closed for work and she knew this as she gets the emails from the coach.

And do you always take him to this swimming? It's a set, regular arrangement whereby you turn up to collect him and take him to swimming? In which case, yes, she should have informed you.

I showed up friday to see them and an empty house (My house that Im not living in)
Do you always cme on a friday to see them? is this a formal arrangement? Or do you just turn up when you feel like it? If the latter, then no, they don't need to inform you when they're not going to be there.

dont ever ask for exact details of trips she does. I know they are safe but I dont think me asking for a location "The coast" "wales" is unfair. Maybe Ive some adjusting to do.

Sure, I agree in theory. But if th erelationship has broken down, then this isn't going to happen. Irritating, but it is what it is. I remember a friend really struggling because her ex wouldn't give her his address when he had their toddler. It was awful, but not illegal.

Swimming has always been my thing with both children. Sat youngest Sun Eldest.

I always do from Friday night. They go back on saturday while I work and I spend all sunday with them.

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MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:25

Ok then, you need to finalise both financial arrangements and contact time. You also need to stop being passive about engaging with school etc.

Then, once it's all formalised, if she doesn't live up to the agreed details, you can take her to court or whatever.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:36

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:25

Ok then, you need to finalise both financial arrangements and contact time. You also need to stop being passive about engaging with school etc.

Then, once it's all formalised, if she doesn't live up to the agreed details, you can take her to court or whatever.

Thank you. I do mean that. I wasn't so passive before but I was told to not be so nice to the school when I tried to play devil's advocate during a disagreement.

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