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To be upset that the police didn’t do anything? Dangerous dog

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Koulibiak · 29/03/2025 01:29

I can’t sleep and can’t stop thinking about what happened and what could have happened.

I had just stepped out to walk my dogs (both small, placid dogs - one is a toy breed and the other a beagle mix) this afternoon. We crossed path with a woman pushing a bike with a front trolley thing. I assumed the trolley was for a child (the type you see in Amsterdam), I didn’t have time to see that there was something inside. Suddenly a dog jumped out of the trolley and attacked my dogs, one after the other. The dog was a female Labrador, she went straight for my dogs’ necks and on top of their backs. My dogs yelped in pain, started going in different directions and tripped me.

It all happened so fast, as I fell on the pavement I thought the Labrador was going to kill us all.

Eventually the woman got her dog back, I asked her to stay while I called the police. I got my dogs back inside the house, checked that neither of them was bleeding, they are both fine.

The police arrived, the woman turned on the water works and started sobbing. I said the dog was dangerously out of control, and at the very least the woman should receive a FPN for not having her dog on a lead.

The police were so dismissive - they said they wouldn’t issue a FPN because the woman had not realised the dog wasn’t tethered in the trolley, so she had no intention of breaking the law. I pointed out that intent is not part of the offence, but they said the poor woman had a flat tire on her bike, she was very distraught, she was going to have to walk 25 minutes home (like it’s a massive ordeal?) and they “didn’t want to make her day even worse with a FPN”. They said the dog is not an XL bully or Rottweiler, so it is not a dangerous dog (obviously that’s not true).

There were so many little aggressions in the way the constables spoke to me, I actually reminded them that I was the victim and she was the perpetrator. Like they implied that my dog was also out of control (absolutely untrue), or that they have discretion and can do whatever they want. Also that they now have my details on file, like I was a suspect.

Honestly it’s made me feel so sad for all the women who try and report assaults, the mix of dismissiveness and superiority and “we don’t owe you an explanation” and “I can see there’s nothing we can say that will placate you”. Just because I was asking them to enforce the law and protect the public. It was also obvious they didn’t understand the DDA at all.

I did ask the woman why her dog wasn’t muzzled and whether she was prepared to live with her conscience if her dog killed a child or another dog. She replied “absolutely”.

I just keep reliving the few seconds when the dog leapt out at my dogs and I fell on the pavement, not knowing where the dog was or how to protect myself or my dogs… it’s like a nightmare on repeat. 🙁

OP posts:
ByTicklishLimeBalonz · 29/03/2025 01:37

Strictly speaking from a legal view that breed of dog is not a dangerous dog, now yes you could say the dogs actions seemed like x,

ByTicklishLimeBalonz · 29/03/2025 01:37

and i believe to an extent the police do have discretion

ByTicklishLimeBalonz · 29/03/2025 01:38

but comparing the situation with dogs and assults seems like a very big stretch

Blackcountrychik83 · 29/03/2025 01:46

This is what scares me now having a dog . The dog attacks are getting almost daily and quite a few recently here have been on people’s doorsteps and many not banned breeds either .

I would be putting in a complaint and asking what it takes for the police to issue an FPN and you felt the officers attitude to the situation was wrong . You was the victim .

I have a seriously social dog and I’m getting more and more scared to take him out due to other dogs . I hope your dog is ok and not too affected x

Idontjetwashthefucker · 29/03/2025 01:49

Must've been a big fuck off trolley to contain a lab! Was it elderly/infirm?

Kastri · 29/03/2025 01:50

It's a criminal offence for any dog of any breed to be dangerously out of control and the police will know this.
Complain,also about their attitude.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 29/03/2025 01:53

The only way to make everyone feel safe against dog attacks (because sometimes it is the owners fault if it's not a dangerous breed) would be that all dogs wear muzzles in public.
I can't see this being popular though.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 29/03/2025 02:14

Idontjetwashthefucker · 29/03/2025 01:49

Must've been a big fuck off trolley to contain a lab! Was it elderly/infirm?

"We crossed path with a woman pushing a bike with a front trolley thing. I assumed the trolley was for a child (the type you see in Amsterdam)"

They're designed to carry multiple children, so could easily fit two sitting Labs, or one lying down Lab.

To be upset that the police didn’t do anything? Dangerous dog
K0OLA1D · 29/03/2025 02:16

ByTicklishLimeBalonz · 29/03/2025 01:37

Strictly speaking from a legal view that breed of dog is not a dangerous dog, now yes you could say the dogs actions seemed like x,

Doesn't need to be classed as a dangerous dog breed to be a dangerous dog. Any dog, any breed can be dangerously out of control

Idontjetwashthefucker · 29/03/2025 02:25

ReadingSoManyThreads · 29/03/2025 02:14

"We crossed path with a woman pushing a bike with a front trolley thing. I assumed the trolley was for a child (the type you see in Amsterdam)"

They're designed to carry multiple children, so could easily fit two sitting Labs, or one lying down Lab.

Good Lord, wouldn't fancy pedalling that bugger around

IainTorontoNSW · 29/03/2025 02:25

Dogs, almost any size and any breed or crossbreed, seem to be having as many issues with mental health and anger management as humans nowadays.

My sense is that we eat a lot of overly processed factory foods these days ... as do our pets.

And then we have utter f**kwits who put their small dogs and 'toy' dogs into shoulder bags and take them to the cinema FFS.

Most dogs do NOT really want to be a "companion" animal or "service" dog to some semi-disturbed or majorly disturbed human.

If push came to shove and articulate dogs could be interviewed, 99% would give clear evidence that they'd like to be a companion dog to another dog.

Potsofpetals · 29/03/2025 02:26

I have a large English mastiff who wouldn’t hurt a fly. I have to walk him at 3am because I am sick to death of him being attacked by yappy rats on leads. I am yet to see a well behaved toy breed. All dogs can be dangerous. If my well mannered dog snapped at your dog because he got sick of being nipped at it would be his fault.

HoppingPavlova · 29/03/2025 02:38

Good Lord, wouldn't fancy pedalling that bugger around

Would keep you fit!

Koulibiak · 29/03/2025 04:51

Idontjetwashthefucker · 29/03/2025 01:49

Must've been a big fuck off trolley to contain a lab! Was it elderly/infirm?

No, the dog wasn’t old or infirm. I’d say probably between 2 and 5. The cart looked like this and the top was up, I couldn’t see what was inside.

To be upset that the police didn’t do anything? Dangerous dog
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Koulibiak · 29/03/2025 04:59

Potsofpetals · 29/03/2025 02:26

I have a large English mastiff who wouldn’t hurt a fly. I have to walk him at 3am because I am sick to death of him being attacked by yappy rats on leads. I am yet to see a well behaved toy breed. All dogs can be dangerous. If my well mannered dog snapped at your dog because he got sick of being nipped at it would be his fault.

My dogs are not yappy, they are not reactive and they don’t nip at other dogs. This was a completely unprovoked attack.

I’m amazed you’ve never seen a well behaved toy breed. I know dozens of them just on my road.

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Floatlikeafeather2 · 29/03/2025 05:04

ByTicklishLimeBalonz · 29/03/2025 01:37

Strictly speaking from a legal view that breed of dog is not a dangerous dog, now yes you could say the dogs actions seemed like x,

The offence is having a dog dangerously out of control (either on public or private property) that is the offence. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the breed.

Bringbackjaspers · 29/03/2025 05:11

It was an unpleasant experience, no doubt, but I fail to see how a fine would change anything. Minor scuffles between dogs are not exactly rare. No skin was broken. Your own two were the ones who tripped you up. As for the police, they act as they see fit, you don't get to command their response.

Floatlikeafeather2 · 29/03/2025 05:12

I think part of the problem, OP, is you telling the police how they should handle the matter. I'm absolutely not defending them but they really don't like being told how to do their job. I think you should log a complaint and, at the same time, log the incident. I know from experience locally that it often takes 2 or 3 incidents involving the same dog and owner for anything at all to be done. Where I used to live you could also report it to the dog warden's service but I'm not sure if that's true in every local authority area.

stillhiding1990 · 29/03/2025 05:12

You live on a road with dozens of toy breed dogs? If true, you don’t know what has happened prior to the lab reacting at you. The average road does not have dozens of toy breeds,the dog would have been presumably stressed if there may have been a previous interaction with one of the street’s other toy dogs. I haven’t seen well behaved toy breeds, usually their behaviours remain unchecked. I own a giant breed and she would never get away if she exhibited the same behaviour of some of the toy breeds. Hope you and your dogs are ok, frightening experience.

Koulibiak · 29/03/2025 05:25

@Floatlikeafeather2 thank you for the advice, that’s very helpful. To clarify, the constable who was interviewing me asked me what resolution or outcome I wanted. I answered that the woman should receive a FPN for having a dog not on a lead, and her dog should wear a muzzle as it is a danger to the public. I didn’t tell them how to do their job.

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Koulibiak · 29/03/2025 05:45

Bringbackjaspers · 29/03/2025 05:11

It was an unpleasant experience, no doubt, but I fail to see how a fine would change anything. Minor scuffles between dogs are not exactly rare. No skin was broken. Your own two were the ones who tripped you up. As for the police, they act as they see fit, you don't get to command their response.

@stillhiding1990 A fine would make the dog owner more likely to make sure In the future her dog is tethered in the cart. As it is, she is walking away in the comfort that she can continue to be as carefree as she wants.

The DDA does not require skin to be broken.

My dogs would not have tripped me had they not been attacked by the other dog.

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Lurkingandlearning · 29/03/2025 05:56

I hope you complain about that officer. When you do please point out he needs training about dogs. He is confusing dangerous breeds and dangerous dogs. Some breeds, like those he mentioned are flagged as potentially dangerous. That doesn’t mean that other breeds cannot produce dangerous dogs.

JoyousEagle · 29/03/2025 06:22

Bringbackjaspers · 29/03/2025 05:11

It was an unpleasant experience, no doubt, but I fail to see how a fine would change anything. Minor scuffles between dogs are not exactly rare. No skin was broken. Your own two were the ones who tripped you up. As for the police, they act as they see fit, you don't get to command their response.

Maybe if more people were fined for having out of control dogs, people would start controlling them. The law around a dog being dangerously out of control includes if “it attacks someone’s animal”.

Germygerms · 29/03/2025 06:46

Can you take your dogs to the vets to obviously first get them checked to see if they're ok. And secondly ask them for a report/record of their injuries to take to the police station? Keep a copy and take photos too.

Exhaustedtiredneedabreak · 29/03/2025 07:00

A lab is not a dangerous breed, so I'm guessing you're referring to section 3 of the dda. You were not injured. You were clearly not at risk of being injured because you waited around for the police in the company of the dog. Your dogs are not service dogs. I can't see that the offence is made out. I'm guessing neither could the police.

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