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Calling my unborn baby they/them

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Irish24 · 28/03/2025 03:19

I am keeping the gender a surprise and the amount of people that are confused when I refer to the baby as they/them’ is starting to aggravate me. I don’t like referring to them as ‘it’ or just ‘baby’. They/them is a word and has been going around for centuries. It also is a singular pronoun and does not always mean multiple. My friends say they can’t get their head around it. I don’t understand. I know they/them is a controversial topic these days and more people are perhaps finding out the gender. I still don’t find it confusing at all and it never even occurred to me that it would be. Anyone else experienced this or am I being over dramatic here? It’s just tiresome having to constantly explain to people, I don’t know the gender so that’s why I’m calling the baby ‘them/they’

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Sassybooklover · 28/03/2025 18:47

I referred to my son as Baby then our surname. We didn't wait to find out the sex, my husband was desperate to know from the off!!! 🤣 Once we knew then, it was easy, 'he/him'.

Didimum · 28/03/2025 18:48

This thread has become completely unhinged.

TheThreeMiracles · 28/03/2025 18:48

It does sound like your expecting twins op they is more than one and so is them sorry x

IHaveDefectedToTeamDog · 28/03/2025 18:50

TheThreeMiracles · 28/03/2025 18:48

It does sound like your expecting twins op they is more than one and so is them sorry x

As has been explained to death on this thread, they and them are commonly used where sex is not known.
”Someone left their coat there”
“If anyone wants my dinner they’re welcome to it”

Please correct these sentences if you think they’re wrong.

IHaveDefectedToTeamDog · 28/03/2025 18:52

NormasArse · 28/03/2025 18:35

Call your baby by a nickname. Something like Peanut is unisex.

But “Peanut” would be a de facto name, not a pronoun.

Miyagi99 · 28/03/2025 19:12

They/them isn’t always plural. Singular goes back to WTW 1375.

BallerinaRadio · 28/03/2025 19:17

TheThreeMiracles · 28/03/2025 18:48

It does sound like your expecting twins op they is more than one and so is them sorry x

34 pages in and we're still getting this. FML

Miyagi99 · 28/03/2025 19:23

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 28/03/2025 05:45

Then please provide an example where it is used in literature/cinema/the stage, as a singular denominator rather than in relation to non-binary.
Prove your assertion

Just from Wiki, examples of everyday conversation:

"Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Could you please let them know where they can get it?"
"My personal rule is to never trust anyone who says that they had a good time in high school."
"The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay."
"But a journalist should not be forced to reveal their sources."
"Everybody can make good pastry if they have the 'know-how'."

I believe it was first used as a singular pronoun in 1375.

Miyagi99 · 28/03/2025 19:32

NetZeroZealot · 28/03/2025 06:38

Not by those who understand the rules of English grammar

This must include the professors at my university then!

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 19:39

TheThreeMiracles · 28/03/2025 18:48

It does sound like your expecting twins op they is more than one and so is them sorry x

Try reading the thread. Or a dictionary.

Iyingherewithlotstodo · 28/03/2025 19:43

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 18:17

I’ve never heard anyone say that ! People say ‘ I can’t wait to see what it will look like; it’s face; hear it’s voice’ etc

No.
People aren’t usually referred to as ‘it’.

Iyingherewithlotstodo · 28/03/2025 19:50

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 18:24

Sorry that just sounds completely ignorant. No-one talks like that unless they are bonkers.

People talk like that all the time.

Are you a native English speaker @Phyllisve?

Miyagi99 · 28/03/2025 19:54

NormasArse · 28/03/2025 18:35

Call your baby by a nickname. Something like Peanut is unisex.

Probably end up identifying as a peanut then though.

SailorSerena · 28/03/2025 19:56

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 18:20

Non gender conforming people have always been either he or she. No-one calls David Bowie or Boy George or Annie Lennox a they/them.

And?

They/them has always been a correct way to refer to a singular person in the third person.

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 19:57

You are going to be a tiresome mother at the school aren’t you 😂

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 19:58

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 19:57

You are going to be a tiresome mother at the school aren’t you 😂

What? Because she correctly uses language? I quite like that.

SailorSerena · 28/03/2025 19:59

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:13

In those cases no-one knows the sex of the person they are referring to. If they knew the sex of the judge they would use ‘ she or he’ not they

No one knows the sex of the baby! That's the whole bloody point of the thread!!!!

Miyagi99 · 28/03/2025 20:00

JLou08 · 28/03/2025 18:40

I said they with my pregnancies and no one batted an eye. It was before all the hate around trans/non binary was popular. I think people have now forgot it's a pretty common term to replace he/she when you're not sure of gender.

Good point, I think I did the same (I know I wouldn’t have said baby or it so it must have been they/them) and nobody questioned it or was confused at all.

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 20:00

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 19:58

What? Because she correctly uses language? I quite like that.

No because she is making a fuss about calling a baby a baby

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 20:01

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 20:00

No because she is making a fuss about calling a baby a baby

No she isn’t! She’s wondering why others make a fuss about a completely normal and accurate pronoun usage!

SailorSerena · 28/03/2025 20:04

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:22

Well in the case of the judge or the neighbour or the person fixing the printer we know it’s one person singular. But if you use they in the context of a pregnancy, it has immediately and quite logically raised the possibility of more than one babby - which is what the OP is objecting to.

OP making a huge fuss about nothing.

It is not immediately, and logically normal to think twins when referring to a single baby if unknown sex as they.

The one making a huge fuss about nothing is you, you have been arguing this for 8 hours now despite being proven wrong many times and it doesn't even affect your life.

Are you another one wound up about "gender woo"?

Miyagi99 · 28/03/2025 20:05

Didimum · 28/03/2025 18:48

This thread has become completely unhinged.

Wine o’clock on a Friday, I for one am loving it 😂

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 20:05

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 20:01

No she isn’t! She’s wondering why others make a fuss about a completely normal and accurate pronoun usage!

I don’t care about pronouns, if people have enough time to get worked up about pronouns then they have nothing better to worry about which is lucky for them.
also people who suprise others with the gender of their baby - is just weird

SailorSerena · 28/03/2025 20:06

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 20:05

I don’t care about pronouns, if people have enough time to get worked up about pronouns then they have nothing better to worry about which is lucky for them.
also people who suprise others with the gender of their baby - is just weird

Please head over to FWR and tell them they are lucky because they have nothing better to worry about! 😂 It would make my day 😂

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 20:11

Mumof2girls2121 · 28/03/2025 20:05

I don’t care about pronouns, if people have enough time to get worked up about pronouns then they have nothing better to worry about which is lucky for them.
also people who suprise others with the gender of their baby - is just weird

Read the thread! She’s not surprising others! She. Doesn’t. Know. The. Sex. Herself.

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