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Calling my unborn baby they/them

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Irish24 · 28/03/2025 03:19

I am keeping the gender a surprise and the amount of people that are confused when I refer to the baby as they/them’ is starting to aggravate me. I don’t like referring to them as ‘it’ or just ‘baby’. They/them is a word and has been going around for centuries. It also is a singular pronoun and does not always mean multiple. My friends say they can’t get their head around it. I don’t understand. I know they/them is a controversial topic these days and more people are perhaps finding out the gender. I still don’t find it confusing at all and it never even occurred to me that it would be. Anyone else experienced this or am I being over dramatic here? It’s just tiresome having to constantly explain to people, I don’t know the gender so that’s why I’m calling the baby ‘them/they’

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Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:40

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:37

When you assume, u an ass.

It's "you make an ass out of u and me" BTW.

CoffeeCakeAndALattePlease · 28/03/2025 10:41

It’s not weird, it’s a normal use of they/them…… referring to someone of an unknown gender. Always has been.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/03/2025 10:41

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:29

This is my favourite thread ever. It's truly brought all of MN's most batshit crazy groups together to froth over a total non-issue. I don't think I've ever seen the GCs, the incorrect grammar nerds and the "NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR BABY!!!1!!" lot in the same thread before.

Bravo, OP.

I’m pretty sure it’s come up before.
There’s a fairly big intersection between gender critical feminists and grammar nerds, IME, including me!Grin

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:41

Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:40

It's "you make an ass out of u and me" BTW.

Don't bring me into it, I'm not the one assuming 💅

Inthebitterend · 28/03/2025 10:42

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:38

Turning them into shims and herms and dyeing their hair blue 😭

Giving the baby puberty blockers before they come out just in case 😔 😔

ItsUpToYou · 28/03/2025 10:42

Careertimenow · 28/03/2025 10:09

She says she doesn't want to use baby at all only they/them. Her friends thinks she woke and she will let the baby decide what gender it wants to be. Op doesn't want to use it or baby when she talks about it. Young people fuck up the language it was never this complicated until the woke shit began.

I avoid personal insults as much as possible on here, so I’ll try to make this as generalised as I can:
Some posters on this thread are incredibly stupid.

Espressinotondo · 28/03/2025 10:42

For millenia people called their unborn babies he she it or the baby. For millenia this was not an issue until one day a poster suggests mn this is an issue....

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:42

Espressinotondo · 28/03/2025 10:42

For millenia people called their unborn babies he she it or the baby. For millenia this was not an issue until one day a poster suggests mn this is an issue....

Edited

Or they 🙂

Careertimenow · 28/03/2025 10:42

OreganoFlow · 28/03/2025 10:38

I think thou meanest 'I agree with thee.'

Art thou unable to use singular pronouns?

I am just emerging from thee rock

Patterncarmen · 28/03/2025 10:44

Yazzi · 28/03/2025 03:44

It seems totally normal to me OP! I know a few people who are having a surprise and use they/them- it's always the singular pronoun when you don't know the gender of the person you're talking about.

It is normal. Nothing wrong with pronoun usage whether in infancy or in adulthood.

But of course, I am one of those woke folks who thinks we should live and let live.

Congratulations on your pregnancy, OP, and all best wishes for a safe delivery and healthy baby. They/them are lucky to have such a good mum.

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:44

Inthebitterend · 28/03/2025 10:42

Giving the baby puberty blockers before they come out just in case 😔 😔

That's evidenced by the number of threads on MN asking "how many scoops of puberty blocker do I mix in my baby's Aptamil?".

Careertimenow · 28/03/2025 10:44

ItsUpToYou · 28/03/2025 10:42

I avoid personal insults as much as possible on here, so I’ll try to make this as generalised as I can:
Some posters on this thread are incredibly stupid.

My pronoun is not stupid it's cunt. When people see me they say "oi cunt come here". Get it right

Here4thechocs · 28/03/2025 10:46

I personally totally dislike the use of “they , them” in reference to an individual. It’s just completely against the rule of the English language. I’m NOT English but grew up with English as a second language.

Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:46

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:41

Don't bring me into it, I'm not the one assuming 💅

You obviously don't understand the saying if you think it's being derogatory to the person who is the "me" referenced in it.

Cringing for you. And you did the nail polish emoji too. 💀

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:48

Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:46

You obviously don't understand the saying if you think it's being derogatory to the person who is the "me" referenced in it.

Cringing for you. And you did the nail polish emoji too. 💀

(You might be overthinking this)

TeapotTitties · 28/03/2025 10:49

Irish24 · 28/03/2025 08:00

So using grammatically correct language is attention seeking? My god what is the world coming to. 🤦‍♀️

Don't know about that but this thread certainly is.

Just call it 'it' until it's born.

Or carry on as you are and accept you're confusing the hell out of people with that, and your willful misuse of the word 'gender'.

Your call 🤷‍♂️

Karatema · 28/03/2025 10:50

Back in the day when we had no idea what the baby’s sex would be it was “he, or she” or “the baby”.
My friend had twins so it was always “they/them” because there were two!
Other friends used nicknames.

OreganoFlow · 28/03/2025 10:51

Here4thechocs · 28/03/2025 10:46

I personally totally dislike the use of “they , them” in reference to an individual. It’s just completely against the rule of the English language. I’m NOT English but grew up with English as a second language.

It actually isn't against the rules of the English language any more than singular you.

English is funny like that, we often use the same pronoun for both singular and multiple referents.

Grammar is not logic and cannot be reasoned like a maths equation - language simply does not work like this.

JassyRadlett · 28/03/2025 10:51

Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:38

It took about 10 seconds tbh 😊

Oh so it was intentional? Good to know!

Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:52

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:48

(You might be overthinking this)

I'd rather overthink than underthink tbh 🤭

ErrolTheDragon · 28/03/2025 10:52

Here4thechocs · 28/03/2025 10:46

I personally totally dislike the use of “they , them” in reference to an individual. It’s just completely against the rule of the English language. I’m NOT English but grew up with English as a second language.

Sorry but you’re simply wrong. They/them referring to a person of unknown sex is so completely and utterly normal and correct that native English speakers do it without even noticing.

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 10:53

Megifer · 28/03/2025 10:52

I'd rather overthink than underthink tbh 🤭

Assuming is kind of like underthinking, isn't it 🤔

JassyRadlett · 28/03/2025 10:56

Here4thechocs · 28/03/2025 10:46

I personally totally dislike the use of “they , them” in reference to an individual. It’s just completely against the rule of the English language. I’m NOT English but grew up with English as a second language.

Which rule?

elliejjtiny · 28/03/2025 10:56

We didn't know the sex for ds2 or ds4 but we did for the others. Ds2 was referred to as they/them, the baby, number 2 or little one.

Ds4 was mostly just called he/him because with 3 older brothers it was likely he was a boy too.

SlowSeasons · 28/03/2025 10:57

It might be grammatically correct, but it's not common parlance now to use they/them to refer to a singular person and that's why people are getting confused.

You can refer to your baby however you want, but you can't control how other people understand you.

It's just a matter of what annoys you more, calling the baby 'it' or 'the baby', or explaining to people what you mean when you say they/them.

Congratulations on your baby, we never find out the sex either!

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