To think that the UK might avoid US for holidays moving forwards

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As per title really,

AIBU to think that the UK will avoid USA for holidays moving forwards?

1. You are being unreasonable suggesting this
2. You are not being unreasonable suggesting this. 😆

No

Heard it all before in 2016 I am quite sure many will change their mind in a year or two

I read yesterday an article on how harsh US passport control staff are. They have always been this way. The only country I have been to where they have been worse is Cuba (I have travelled a lot)

Any unauthorised handling, carriage and transmission of security classified material, especially those that have an NDA attached to them, is a criminal offence regardless of who is president.

Working with and knowing protective markings for UK/US, confidential isn't much of an issue and is comparative to what the UK classifies as Official.
Any information that requires an NDA will be classified at S or US equivelant of TS. There are strict carriage instructions for S material and even stricter carriage instructions for anything TS and above. For example S usually requires 2 people present for carriage.
He'll be extremely lucky to escape prison.

well i presume they don't live near you and are looking forward to their holiday.

I read yesterday an article on how harsh US passport control staff are. They have always been this way. The only country I have been to where they have been worse is Cuba (I have travelled a lot)

We flew into Tampa last year and passport control staff were really friendly and helpful. A real change from Orlando

Just curious why mightymoog is SO determined to defend the utter craziness that’s happening.

@BigDecisionWorthIt That's exactly the point that @lawpluslaw is making. If this was true they wouldn't have just sent him on a plane back to France, he'd be going to prison. Therefore, the fact that they just turned him away makes the story about him stealing confidential material pretty dubious.

It used to be that the good things about visiting the States outweighed the PITAs. US Immigration has always been unpleasant, the tipping culture etc, but the country itself and the people generally were great.

However nowadays there's not a cat's chance in hell I'm visiting. The whole place has become a basket case.

Would happily go to Canada.

Much better places for holidays than the US!

A friend is doing Tokyo Disney instead of the US this summer.

It’s not even about boycotting, I’d be scared of being arrested about something random, given that English is not my first language. Hard pass

because it ust comes across as hysterical virtue signalling and all the threat of having your 'phone inspected and them then throwing you in jail is non exiestent unless you have done something illegal.
Hysteria and virtue signalling annoy me 😁

Yeah. That's my point. And that's why I don't believe their version.

If that had been the case, they would have detained him then and there. Not put him on a return flight. There is an extradition agreement between the two countries, but I'm dubious how cooperative France would be at this moment.

Like so many of the administration's allegations, it's all talk with no evidence or process.

The use of the word hysteria to describe perfectly rational and justified reactions annoys me more. Particularly when levelled at a mainly female audience.

Adding- how is it virtue signalling to make a decision about where to spend your money/what economies to support? Some people might consider it making choices and decisions in accordance with your moral code.

Bourke: illegal and unauthorised work on a tourist visa. Denied entry to Canada for fear of intent to work illegally

Broesche: illegal and unauthorised work on an Esta. Tattoo equipment in possession and proof of bookings/appointments with intent to recieve payment.

Mooney: Previous TN Visa was rescinded in Nov 24 by the Biden Administration. Attempted to apply at the Can/US border and was denied a TN visa. Travelled to Mex/US border in an attempt to circumnavigate the issues and applied again for a TN visa. Visa was denied. As an extra she was attempting to bring hemp products into the US and did not have the correct certification/carriage paperwork in her possession.

Again, don't violate section 8 of the INA and you won't have issues.

Any law-abiding tourist or lpr won't have issues.

I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't set foot in the kip these days. Mind you the UK isn't looking too alluring either.

well the point is that I don't think the reactions are rational and justified, hence why I called it hysterical.
And i like the word hysterical

And I like the word tool.

And hence why is redundant, which I dislike.

ok, slightly random reply but that's nice that you also have a word you like

don't understand your second line, sorry

Charges will most likely be done in home country.

If I (as an example, never have and not in that position now) was to have taken and concealed classified information, I would face the charges back here in the UK as I'd then face time in Colly before having a civilian prosecution too. Our UK vetting agency would then do the investigation etc.

Your clearance level and administration/investigation is all done by the home country. You can provide proof/paperwork of clearance level. But ownership is held with your home country .

You used it. I'm just pointing it out. Hence and why mean essentially the same thing. Since we're, you know, discussing words we like and dislike, and the validity of using them towards other people.

Just trying to help you out going forward. I'm sure you don't want to be redundant.

@lawpluslaw

And I like the word tool.
And hence why is redundant, which I dislike

Must be hard of thinking today, i don't understand this?

sorry, you're not really making sense .
Doesn't matter, it's not important

The information he is alleged to have held is from a US lab. They are essentially alleging industrial espionage. It would be US authorities making the charges.

Your clearance level and administration/investigation is all done by the home country. You can provide proof/paperwork of clearance level. But ownership is held with your home country .

This would only be the case if the information was from your home country. I could accuse a US researcher of stealing something from the UK on entry, but the US would be under no obligation to investigate. It would be on the shoulders of the UK to make their case and request extradition if the subject didn't want to come voluntarily.

Living under a massive rock here and wondering why nobody is booking holidays to America?