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Are Europeans 'pathetic European free loaders'?

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ImmediateReaction · 25/03/2025 09:59

WhatsApp chat released today from the US calling Europeans 'pathetic European free-loaders'.

One of our closest allies! What about support from European countries after September 11th?

AIBU to expect more professional language?

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DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 17:41

Mirabai · 25/03/2025 17:21

Or: it was really the Russians that won the war. 80% of the Wehrmacht died on the Eastern front.

Probably less effective these days. Almost overnight they've flipped from the Russians being Public Enemy No.1 to being dear friends. The MAGAs just follow the Dear Leader's new line.

southerngirl10 · 25/03/2025 17:41

Time to bring this guy back from the Russian front and send him across the pond for talks with Trump as our freeloading European representative.

DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 17:43

JudgeJ · 25/03/2025 13:47

I've had this diatribe in the US, how they were the saviours of the world, especially in WW2. When I told them 'Had not America sat on its arse for three years during WW2, millions would have been saved' they were furious, how dare anyone contradict them!. T
hey also don't like being told that their space programme existed because of all the Nazi scientists they took to America to work on it, the skills were not there before, the Nazis had been experimenting by bombing the UK.

When they claim that "metric didn't put a man on the moon" it's quite funny to point out that NASA used metric.

southerngirl10 · 25/03/2025 17:43

Here he is...

Are Europeans 'pathetic European free loaders'?
DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 17:44

mizfit416 · 25/03/2025 14:35

You can't believe everything the supposed media says. I'm in the US and I LOVE YOU! 😍

It's not about the media, it's about what senior members of the US government say.

Echobelly · 25/03/2025 17:45

They're not oyr closest allies anymore. And they don't understand that America helping other countries isn't 'freeloading', it is how America got its standing in the world - the standing they are now losing by becoming an entirely selfish bully like their president.

Purplebunnie · 25/03/2025 17:51

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:29

The US was the only country to make a profit out of WW2.

Goodness that's awful that they made a profit out of people dying

On an aside note the American Government reneged on virtually every treaty made with the First Nations, apart from the promise to take their lands.

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:52

Purplebunnie · 25/03/2025 17:51

Goodness that's awful that they made a profit out of people dying

On an aside note the American Government reneged on virtually every treaty made with the First Nations, apart from the promise to take their lands.

Well, someone had to.

Serpentstooth · 25/03/2025 17:53

Qmalrg · 25/03/2025 14:59

Anyone high up in US govt shouldn't be describing Europe/Europeans this way. We are supposed to be allies.

That said, when trump visited London in 2018, Sadiq Khan gave permission for a giant orange helium balloon of a baby Trump, naked but for a nappy. I thought at the time that this was an utterly disgraceful action for a mayor to condone. Highly disrespectful to a long time and very strong ally - regardless of the political beliefs of anyone.

So on balance, why should we be able to dish out disrespectful behaviour and not expect to be called pathetic freeloaders in return?

And before we start on about strengthening our ties with Europe, defence, and whatever - let's not forget that our idiotic population voted for Brexit.

So yes, the actions of the US govt are disgraceful. But our actions are disgraceful as well. So seems all square to me.

Really? I don't believe Sadiq Khan had the ability to refuse or deny the Trump Baby, he's not God like USA politicians are, he's obliged to act within the law. I'm hoping Baby Bigly will be dusted off for next visit.

DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 17:54

EasternStandard · 25/03/2025 16:33

Pretty much. Plus anti US rhetoric has been around for a while. In the end their voters think you pay then.

"for a while" presumably meaning "since 2003" when they dragged us into their idiotic invasion of Iraq (after we'd already been helping them root out Bin Laden when they invoked Article 5).

Longsummerdays25 · 25/03/2025 17:54

I’m European and the defence spending has been pitiful. Quite how that message was delivered to the world is debatable, but Germany are woefully underfunded and can’t mount a defence against a nuclear super power with broomsticks (which is all their soldiers had memorably)

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:55

It's interesting that many people I grew up with who were adults in the 50s had a deep distrust of the US that we youngsters thought was a bit fuddy-duddy. It was only later I realised that the UK being shafted ovr Suez left a deep scar.

Of course those generations are now gone.

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:56

Serpentstooth · 25/03/2025 17:53

Really? I don't believe Sadiq Khan had the ability to refuse or deny the Trump Baby, he's not God like USA politicians are, he's obliged to act within the law. I'm hoping Baby Bigly will be dusted off for next visit.

If there is a crowdfunder, put me down.

DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 17:57

Annajones101 · 25/03/2025 17:09

If you take billions of other people’s money and spend it on yourself, and then kick up a fuss when the other party refuses to fund you, then yeah, that makes you a pathetic freeloader.

Care to expand on this drivel and explain what you are on about?

Serpentstooth · 25/03/2025 18:00

You're referring to Bigly's failed business ventures and failure to repay investors presumably?

Dontlletmedownbruce · 25/03/2025 18:04

Anyone else constantly wondering what Melania thinks of all this? Or maybe she isn't capable of thinking at all. Can you imagine what her family or old school mates think?

Trumps Mum is from Europe as is his wife. Bizarre to be anti European in those circumstances

Haveanaiceday · 25/03/2025 18:05

I have a lot of love for the US and it has some great people and culture, but these are troubling times with their new government and the way it is behaving towards their closest allies.

DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 18:05

Longsummerdays25 · 25/03/2025 17:54

I’m European and the defence spending has been pitiful. Quite how that message was delivered to the world is debatable, but Germany are woefully underfunded and can’t mount a defence against a nuclear super power with broomsticks (which is all their soldiers had memorably)

Is it surprising that Germany's defence spending has been low, when the international policy for many decades was that the Germans weren't to be trusted with an army?

TwoWildlings · 25/03/2025 18:05

Most people outside of the US ( and many in the US) think Trump and his cronies are an embarrassment to the country, so I’d take things like this with a pinch of salt.

Serpentstooth · 25/03/2025 18:08

A pinch of salt? O that's alright then, silly me for mistaking it for a complete betrayal by an allied nation.

Serpentstooth · 25/03/2025 18:10

A pinch of salt won't save USA from what Bigly's Beasts have planned for it. And for Europe if we don't put him back where he belongs.

WestwardHo1 · 25/03/2025 18:15

GasPanic · 25/03/2025 15:59

Well it is rosy.

Apart from the much touted nuclear power stations being knackered from decades of service, and it being horribly expensive to replace them.

Along with the fact welfare reform seems next to impossible because people riot everytime the government tries to make changes to the system. Which will probably lead to systemic collapse within the next 10-20 years.

And the fact that there seems to be some sort of major riot in the streets once a year or so with the police charging barricades and hurling tear gas.

Apart from that France is absolutely fine.

Yeah those were the things I was thinking of.

French people downing tools as soon as anyone suggests they work past 62 and more than 37 hours a week and so on.

EasternStandard · 25/03/2025 18:17

DdraigGoch · 25/03/2025 17:54

"for a while" presumably meaning "since 2003" when they dragged us into their idiotic invasion of Iraq (after we'd already been helping them root out Bin Laden when they invoked Article 5).

Blair was up for that. There’s a good podcast covering why he was ready to jump for US.

People will differ, I’d say it’s ramped up more since and US voters are likely fed up and said ok you pay.

DuncinToffee · 25/03/2025 18:18

Latest from the WH on SignalGate

"This is a coordinated effort to distract from the successful actions taken by President Trump and his administration."

😅

WestwardHo1 · 25/03/2025 18:25

Is it surprising that Germany's defence spending has been low, when the international policy for many decades was that the Germans weren't to be trusted with an army?

See this is what I can't understand. When the FRG/BRD was established in 1949 it was after several years of careful nurturing under the direct supervision of the Allied powers, including the USA. The constitution was designed with the exact aim of keeping German military might in check, as it had three times got out of hand. Now suddenly the USA is acting as though it's not fair.