WhHAT SHOULD I DO HELP PLEASE

[WarmDreamer]

My grandson had a boy screaming at him trying to provoke my grandson to react as he has adhd we told him if kids do this then the best thing he could do is not to do anything and just walk away (which he done) the other child managed to run back into school and take a knife and ĥe rean at my grandson the teacher saw grabbed him and grabbed the knife the school rang my son and said that he didn't need to come in they were dealing with it the child has been sent home with an internal seclusion my son asked if they had reported this to the police and now the school has stopped any correspondence with my son and his wife he now doesn't want to send his children back to the school as he feels his children are not safe does he notify police himself? Does he send his kids back to school? Does he inform social services ? He really is at a l9ss as what would be the best thing to do I find it hard that the school let's these children do whatever they please some run out of school some swear and throw things around which my sons have done in the past one has already changed school and now is in a special school the other is still waiting for paperwork to be looked at by the special school but I will still have 2 chiĺdren at the school and this happened on primary school the children are 10 years old.

This is absolutely impossible to read.

I would just ring thr police you can't just pull a knife out on someone. School will probably be in touch then

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How old are these children ? How did he manage to get a knife ? Where in the school were there knives, accessible to young people ?

i don’t think Social Services will be interested.

The police, possibly not - depends on ages & circumstances

School are dealing with it, but you should be informed about what is happening.

It’s a safeguarding issues, due to the availability of a knife. So safeguarding lead

Clearer -

My grandson was confronted by another boy who was screaming at him, trying to provoke a reaction. Since my grandson has ADHD, we have always advised him that if other children try to provoke him, the best thing he can do is walk away and not engage—which is exactly what he did.

However, the other child managed to run back into the school, retrieve a knife, and then ran toward my grandson. Fortunately, a teacher saw what was happening, intervened, and took the knife away. The school then called my son to inform him of the incident but assured him that he didn’t need to come in, as they were handling the situation. The child who brought the knife was sent home with an internal seclusion.

Concerned for his son’s safety, my son asked the school if they had reported the incident to the police. Since then, the school has stopped all communication with him and his wife. Now, he is unsure about what to do next.
• Should he report this to the police himself?
• Should he send his children back to the school, given the lack of communication and the safety concerns?
• Should he inform social services?

He feels lost and unsure of the best course of action. It is deeply concerning that the school allows such behavior, with children frequently running out of school, swearing, and throwing things. My son has two children still attending this school. One of his sons has already been transferred to a special school, while the other is still waiting for the necessary paperwork to be processed.

This incident happened in a primary school, and the children involved are only 10 years old.

does he notify police himself?

Two things concern me.

1. He hasn't notified the police himself
2. You're asking if he should notify the police himself

Come on now OP.

Yes you can report to social services online if you have the boy’s name. I did this when my child was attacked at school & school were being useless. Social services got back to me to let me know the child is known to them and they were investigating the incident.

I’m still confused as to how a 10 year old had access to a knife at a primary school.

That needs looking at

I’m at a high school, we had a distressed child grab a butter knife in the dining hall once. It led to a perm exclusion, as it was part of a series of behaviours - they were 14 so older and more criminally responsible.

Basically a child managed to take a knife from school dining area and tried to stab my grandson and the school won't reply to my son so my son does not know what they r doing should he call 101 himself and should he send his son back to school when he feels it to be unsafe these children are in Yr 5 age 10

My son is worried as this was not a butter knife it was a paring knife

Are you not worried that your son has no clue whether to tell the police that someone has threatened his son with a paring knife?

Hopefully you don't need to be told this but the obvious answer is yes, he should inform the police.

Dear coldstream25 the school won't give the boys name what they are doing about it they have completely stopped correspondance

The police most probably won’t be interested in a 10 year old, with an in school incident, that didn’t lead to any injuries.

The school need to tighten up thier processes that allowed a child to re-access school after lunch, pick up a knife, take the knife outside, then try to stab someone. I am stunned that this was able to happen.

No I wouldn't send my child back to that school, and yes speak to the police

A paring knife??? A primary school has a paring knife out on display and accessible to children ? I can’t believe it that’s credible.

Of course they will.

It was a paring knife according to the OP.

There's not a police force in the land that would get away with not following that up.

Your son should report the matter to the police direct, amd yes perhaps social services as well

Then he gets in touch with the school and tells them that as they have not been responding to him this is what he has done

he should also ask the school what they have put in place to make sure your son is safe should this child come back to school and you want an answer in 24 hours

no response report to the school governors and Ofsted

It is up to you to decide if you wish to refer to the Police or not.

If school have involved the Police already they are no longer in the equation as Police decide if they act or not as the children are 10.

What do you want to happen?

The school should decide on any action depending on the whole overview of the child's needs, home situation, anything that happened that day, the behaviour policy, staff training, RA, support already in place and what has worked and not worked before, any SW should be involved in all dicussions If other outside providers are involved they may take days even weeks to reply to even discuss additional support.

Whilst they decide what to do you need to ask how they have mitigated risk.
They are probably looking at options and are waiting on call backs.
What they do will not be divulged to you. You just need reassurance about how they will keep your child safe and how they ensure assess to knives and shared is reviewed.

We have over 200 applications for 5 places in our SEND school, all other SEND schools being in the same situation. There are not enough SEND places across the country, not enough SEND staff as they are frequently hurt in school and often we have no funding for children as councils argue about who is responsible. Leave an email to ask how they will keep him safe in school and that he won't be in until you have that reassurance.

Teapottitties yes he knows he should report this but the only details he has is the school txt saying this has happened and we are dealing with it so he doesn't know if they reported it or not he's not told the boys name whether his parents are aware of the severity of this he doesn't know if the child has behaviour problems whether he has done anything like this before does the child have problems at home we know absolutely nothing

Report to the police. They automatically inform social services.
Your son, in writing via an email, needs to inform the school that he wants a meeting in person with the safeguarding lead and headteacher. That his son will not be returning to school as he is unsure whether his son his safe. And share that he is concerned about the lack of communication and that he has reported the matter to the police.
School will be in touch about grandson's attendance if nothing else. If they don't have a meeting, then your son can take the next step which would be to contact the governors.
But you also have to be realistic about what the meeting will include and the outcome.
You won't be told the exact consequence the other child has been given.
You won't get to decide the consequence.
You won't get to stop your grandson going to school indefinitely until you get what you feel is the correct outcome. You can choose to move him schools. If that is the case then get the ball moving with that.
You won't be able to see any cctv.
You don't know the other child's background, it could be a first offence, he could have other circumstances, etc.
But I would expect a meeting with the school.
I would also be having conversations with your grandson about if a child had the knife and pulled it out on the. What they should do. Use this as a learning opportunity to discuss what are scary circumstances. D

Me too. Does your son not know what to do? Did he ask you to find out for him?

Your grandson will know the child's name.

And the rest of it is neither here nor there.

It's between the police and the school then.

There is no way that a paring knife would be accessible to a pupil in the dining room. They would need access to the kitchen to find one.

Why would he need to know the child’s name to report to the police or social services though?!?

Bookart55 my son asked for a meeting and the school informed him a meeting had already gone ahead without him as he didn't need to attend