Feel this country has become rotten - benefits

[She11y]

A studio apartment in my area is about £800 per month.
A minim wage job is around £1500 per month net.
After you've worked in a hard and demanding job - most minimum wage jobs are demanding - you've got £700 to pay for food, travel, bills, clothes.
You might end up with £100 left over each month. Working hard all your life with no hope of owning your own home or having any sort of financial stability.
No wonder people don't want to work. Make owninf a house affordable and over night 1/3 the people claiming benefits will stop.

My point is that a lot of people are on benefits because they're depressed at the hopelessness of their futures, and try to avoid working.

Is that one way mission to Mars still recruiting?

We have had a beehive shape for years

@Secretmeetings much of the west is facing ageing populations but aren't in such a pickle as us. Do you have a skilled job or youth?

@ilovesootymy line of work is irrelevant but my line of work makes me pay tax every week which goes along to pay benefits for people that don't work,I get there's disabled people that's not my issue my issue is self inflected disabilities and us the public have to fund there habit,it's wrong,then us working for them to get the money they need they blow it all by dinner time so go out asking people to lend em money in the streets,my child is disabled and for him to be in the same category as a druggy and get the same benefits is wrong,he was born with this they wasn't,next question?

The problem with society is that it is based on people, for the most, sharing costs and living on dual incomes.

But I still have no people who prefer to be on benefits because “life seems hopeless.”

I don’t like the entitled attitude behind it.

Why do you thinking ageing populations are not a problem globally?

An immigration Ponzi scheme whereby people argue that we need increasing numbers due to the ageing population.

As per your first post.

My response is as said, it would be more difficult to step off this without AI and automation. With it there’s a chance to reduce immigration and lower impact of that. Keep taxes though, people are focused on bringing in more people still not looking forward to how to retain tax take without them.

Aiming to start early retirement in the next few years or so, but may need to speed it up the way society is heading. Appreciate any relocation suggestions.

@EasternStandard but we have had immigration for years & don't have a pyramid? We are not going back to a pyramid shape as I said.
I'm not arguing for immigration, I'm saying governments won't stop it. Do you understand the difference in those statements?

I’ve said this many times but nobody took the impact that Brexit would have on this country seriously. We are no longer in the single market, it’s made everything more expensive and there is less investment. The pound hasn’t recovered either.

Nobody seems to want to take ownership of this and instead it’s blame disabled people, asylum seekers or anyone else because that’s easier than excepting that you made shit decisions and now have to face the consequences.

Move to a different area.

I don't complain that I can't afford to shop at Harrods, I just don't shop at Harrods.

Too many people whining they can't afford to move out. I moved out of home at 20 into a houseshare 300 miles away because it was all I could afford in the one place I was offered a job (362 job applications later). One room. It was shit, which gave me motivation very quickly to jump up the ladder, find side hustles to make money, figure out what I could do that would pay better than being on min wage. And that was in the 2008/9 recession where things were a lot worse, there were no jobs, especially not for people who had no experience yet.

Stay as you are and complain, or be uncomfortable for a bit because you're looking ahead to the future.

@Secretmeetings sorry no suggestions I'm afraid. I have dual nationality as do my dc so it's easier for us.

Even people in favour of Brexit like that fool, Jacob Rees Mogg said that if we left the EU, taxes would have to go up and the UK wouldn’t benefit as a whole for at least 50 years.

Won’t stop it as in what exactly?

Can you be clearer about numbers. Won’t stop it could be 1000 or 750k.

When you post that what are you envisaging will happen over the next decade or so?

it's never going to benefit, there are no benefits that will miraculously appear after 50 years.

@EasternStandard No I cannot give you the numbers of immigrants we will have over the next decade or so. I don't foresee much reduction in the current projection. What do you think numbers will look like?

This country would collapse if they stopped immigration.

The average British person is far too lazy and unskilled to cover everything needed or helpful if all the immigrants left. Half the premier league is immigrants, each of them pays more UK tax in a year than the average Brit does in a lifetime. And that's before we get to all the medical professionals and scientists who aren't British. They aren't replaceable. My neighbour is from an EU country, had been here 30 years, he left after Brexit. Unfortunately he was a specialist children's surgeon and only 5 people in the UK (now 4) know how to do his job. The person he was supposed to be training to replace him wasn't interested in learning.

A good book instead

I totally agree!

Accepting not excepting, clearly. I must be tired 🙃

This is not true. Economic studies have shown for decades that immigrants on the whole are a benefit to the economy.

Agree. Even the Ukrainian refugees that I knew secured jobs as soon as they got here.

I imagine rather than a HMO you would prefer workhouses.

Every single person should be able to afford a studio flat.

I think the problem is high rents caused by Thatcher selling off social housing and our rights to North Sea oil profits.

Thatcher also sold off our infrastructure - so high travel, water, Telecon and power costs too.

Imagine if our country wasn't spending £209 billion per year on civil service pensions (state pensions costs £168 billion). This scam was set up by Thatcher too.

Wonder why Finland is the happiest country?

Your original post was ‘immigration is not going anywhere’ with a 30 year stat.

Over 30 years AI and automation will change things and I wouldn’t be surprised if immigration numbers go down due to that.

I know a man in his early 70s who lives in an HMO. He spends all day in the pub as he hates being at home.
HMOs are grim. They might work for people in the short term, but they should never be someones forever home.
A NMW job should be enough for someone to have a home that they don't share and say the space is their own.
The people saying that NMW are just a stop gap are privileged. Some people will never achieve more than NMW.