Feel this country has become rotten - benefits

[She11y]

A studio apartment in my area is about £800 per month.
A minim wage job is around £1500 per month net.
After you've worked in a hard and demanding job - most minimum wage jobs are demanding - you've got £700 to pay for food, travel, bills, clothes.
You might end up with £100 left over each month. Working hard all your life with no hope of owning your own home or having any sort of financial stability.
No wonder people don't want to work. Make owninf a house affordable and over night 1/3 the people claiming benefits will stop.

My point is that a lot of people are on benefits because they're depressed at the hopelessness of their futures, and try to avoid working.

I'm not surprised.

I also had a work induced breakdown and spent a long time as a hospital inpatient. I was able to work again in a different setting and I'm still self employed now. However I'm not autistic and wouldn't presume to pass judgement on what people battling different conditions can and can't do, especially if they say they'd like to be able to work if the conditions were there to enable them to do so.

There are some very goady people on this thread, deliberately trying to provoke.

Yes. I am feeling provked. Very proveked.

I think you are very stressed and taking it out on others here. I think perhaps you should talk to a professional in the benefits field to see where you will stand in terms of support going forward
No matter how difficult that may be it really is the only way for yourself and others in a similar position to move forward

Others affected by Labours changes so far have had to do the same

Mumsnet don’t have answers and solutions for you because none of us know yet

No. Another poster up thread accused her of ‘giving off vibes’ that she doesn’t want to work. They know nothing about her - it was deliberate goading. So please don’t gaslight with a comment about ‘you’re stressed because of the government’

Thanks i had this vibe too, and I am rubbish at this.

Weyland is stressed because she doesn’t know which way to turn
Nothing so far re the welfare changes is set in stone. We all know there will be changes, we all know some will lose money, we all know more people will have an expectation to work.
The reality though is
for individual cases no one knows anything.

My advice therefore to Weyland is valid. To ease her anxiety she should talk to someone who might know.
Id start with my MP, a short email might get some answers.

Ps
I am not gaslighting!

So did I. Noone I know did any different. And these were lawyers and other professionals. Early to mid-90s. And these places were not flash. Only ever one bathroom and generally crappy kitchens and one living area. You learned to get on with others and share resources. Life skills that seem to be lost on a generation - and yes I am generalising - but I hear a lot more entitlement than was present in my early 20s years.

Globalisation doesn't just give us the cheapest goods it also exerts downward pressure on wages. If only Thatcher had realised that Government would eventually bankrupt itself to subsidise low wages. Globalisation has weakened national economies and is bankrupting the state. All the while the state is required to exort a huge level of control over subjects who are increasingly pissed off at being poor. The game is up on capitalism, the wealthy could never buy back all the goods and services created by our labour, and workers can only ever buy back a fraction of the total commodities and services produced having been paid only a fraction of their value. The wealthy are sinking "our dead labour" into assets. The infrastructure is crumbling, health, education, roads and rail because the private sector has little need to renew labour power, has never paid in full for its use, and has a whole world of cheap labour elsewhere to exploit, and then.....we have AI and other technologies to shorten labour time which will ultimately undermine capitalism.

I'm not surprised we find ourselves here and that many people now feel hopeless.

The problem starts in 1979. The fix that was implemented to weaken labour power to induce private sector investment, but now workers can not demand a fairer share and higher wages to rebalance the scales.

Labour government can not turn this around however much flack we give them.

There is literally no way out of this and its not surprising that we see the rise of fascism in Europe and the jingoistic orange toddler over the pond talking "nationalism" and trade tarifs. Its popular! seems like a plan except it leads not to free market competition but national competition ultimately played out with huge loss of life, but unlike C20th it won't restore free market competition because capitalism has quite literally reached its end point because advances in technology shortens labour time to the extent capitalism can not support billions of lives.

We are screwed whether we work, claim, beg or steal. So maybe instead of bashing up benefits claimants we should stand together in solidarity with each other.

I work with young people. You’ll be surprised how many want to work part time only as they want to be with friends and online. It’s like the ethos of hard work and achievement is lost.
we live in a society where people want to be influencers and we now celebrate talentless morons on TV - influencers and people who do nonsense for money. It’s now stopping the youth from wanting to make anything of themselves and they just claim benefit for an easy life.

Many young people fo think this is a viable way of making a living. Some tic tockers make millions as do some influencers. They don't seem to understand it's just a few.

Correct, but where are parents to explain that this is the case?
And if parents don't do their job then it's state's responsibility to ensure these youngsters understand that no-one owns them living, means no benefits.

I never suggested it's the states job to ensure these youngsters understand that no one owes them a living. I merely agreed with someone that many think they could become a tic tocker or YouTuber for a living, some girls think they'll marry a footballer, for most, none of those options are likely.

Most influencers don’t earn much more than minimum wage. But if you can earn minimum wage it’s still a viable income for people who struggle in a NT focussed world.