To think that men who evade paying for their children are a burden on society?

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Not my situation as not divorced but I'm fed up of hearing about thousands of men who don't pay child support or only pay the minimum, or fiddle their employment status/ declared income to pay less

They should pay at least half the actual costs of raising their children, more if they earn significantly more than the other parent

If they can't pay they should be supported to get a better job

If theyre self employed and can't pay enough well get a job that allows you to pay.

If they're getting paid in cash, take on more work to pay or find a job where they can't hide their income so they have to pay.

They are the real burden on society , fed up of seeing disabled people and carers torn apart while these feckless men get away with it year after year.

Where is the government and media campaign against them?

Women/RP should not receive a higher amount of CMS as a reward for restricting access for the other parent.
I personally don’t agree with how it is pulled from salaries either. The way CMS is calculated is from your Gross income, so off a higher baseline. Mortgages/Car Finance etc are calculated off of Net so it is affordable of a realistic baseline. Not sure why it is done this way, happy to be educated if anyone knows.
The CMS should care as they are a neutral governing body whose interests are for the child, not a preference to either parent. Regardless of your views on men not paying for their child, surely you don’t think it is right from a woman to be controlling how often a child sees their father just so they take a higher payment?
The courts do take ownership of this yes, however that in itself is not right. A parent should not have to go to court and spend thousands on legal representation just so they can see their child. If there are concerns then yes 100% that should go to court but if it is just because the parents have difference of opinions on how involved mother/father should be, it isn’t fair in my opinion that you have to spend that money when it is equally both of yours child.

Other men, any men, every other man who is not an arsehole - should be SHUNNING these feckless twats. Men really don't care what women think. Break up with them and see how quickly they revert.

Men judging their peers are what would help get this done. We women are just 'bitches' or whatever derogatory name pops into their tiny brains.

You know multiple people fiddling the benefits system, and multiple people divulge their maintenence payments and the frequency of those payments to you?

Sure thing.

The way people bend over backwards on these threads to make up scenarios where women are at fault is depressing.

All parents should be forced to provide for their DC. That system they have in the US that a PP outlined sounds a very good system and might make parents think twice before abandoning their kids.

Totally agree!
I think gone are the days where the father leaves the childcare to the mother as they are working, and the mother is happy to be a stay at home mum. Of course you will always find individuals that want this kind of split, but so many woman now are choosing to become the breadwinners and have successful careers, and more men are choosing to be the primary caregiver. There is no reason a father should not get 50% care if they want it.
Studies are showing that fathers are increasingly become more successful in the family courts, because there is no legitimate reason that they are any less of a parent than the mother

I was having this conversation at work the other day. My colleague had an argument with her husband and he threatened to walk out on her and the kids.

As I said to her, it's amazing how many men think they can just up and move out without any consequences or a second thought to the children they helped create.

It's not like (the majority of) women could/would do the same is it?

Just because we grow and birth the children, doesn't make them any more ours than their Dad's.

@DiminishedSevenths idea is definitely the best one I've seen so far.

Paying for your own children should never be something you can opt out of!

i know more men not paying for their children (2) than I do people fiddling the benefit system (0). Anecdotes don't equal evidence. Both happen.

But that isn’t really what this is about is it?

It’s about men (and it is men mainly) not paying CMS.

I'm a hard worker and good at my job and voluntary job, but as a carer, with my own disability if I was forced to work more than my capacity I would be a burden and I don't want to be. My son is high support needs, I feel his issues are so obvious he'll still get pip when the time comes to switch from DLA but what the hell do I do if he doesn't? What if my husband dies or also becomes ill or disabled, and what if I do?

It would hopefully discourage men from impoverishing their wives during the marriage and when leaving

It would prevent post separation financial abuse.

Because this is what is is.

It should be considered financial abuse to not support your kids financially because that's what it is.

In America when a man remarries and does not pay child maintenance for his children outside of the marriage, his wife will pay even if its deducted from her wages.

Therefore there probably wouldn't be many blended families in England if this was put in place.

I think this method should be put in place in England. Women shouldn't marry a man with children unless the woman is taking her man and his children on. There is no reason to legally tie yourself to a parent unless finances are pooled.

Noooo don't you get it If the poor man is made to pay more than £7 a week for the child he created he won't be able to cope.

Never mind the taxpayer who has to financially support his child or the woman left to do everything for the child.
Yes let's go back to blaming the parent who actually did stick around

The CSA can take away driving licenses and passports from men who dont pay child support. Be interested to know if they have ever used those powers.

Found it - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10082/CBP-10082.pdf So not really using all the powers they have, about time they did.

Excellent post. I agree completely with every word and it sums up why there is no political will. Until society views this issue in the same way as it does drunk driving (for example) nothing will change.

So do women.

I think it should be similar to a student loan.
The resident parent should get a set amount that can be topped up depending on the NRP's income.
NRP's income should be taken at source like tax. If they are self employed or mess around then interest should be added and eventually the NRP will retire and the money can be deducted from their pension.

Completely agree with this ^ . And I actually think it could be a huge vote winner if the magnitude of the problem was actually explained to the electorate. Unfortunately our shite system would probably award the fuckers pension credit.

It often isn't as simple as going to court.
My friend went to court to get access as his ex shouldn't be in, would organise play dates, went out with the new bf on his days.
He ended up on what he called the mediation roundabout.

Start court proceedings
she would wait till almost the court date, call for mediation
Court would be cancelled.
She would wait till the mediation date, and cancel
he would go back to court

and around they went.
During this time his ex alienated his child against him.

this after being able to see the child for months then preventing him from doing so, because he got a gf or she had a new bf.

So it is possible to prevent a decent parent from seeing their child.

But this is a different thread. but you did ask.

Very few times, and there is massive (too much) consideration given to the non payer.

There was a case I worked on where the non-payer ran a taxi company, he'd changed it into his girlfriend's name and claimed he was just a regular taxi driver. I pushed that going after his driving license (everything else had failed) would be the perfect tactic but it was turned down as it would be likely the court would say no as too much impact on him.

The same was said when someone else suggested that removing the passport of someone who worked for an airline. Would cause too much detriment to them.

Wouldn't women be less inclined too by making both parents equally responsible for paying for their children? No benefits.

Surprisingly men and women who don't work and don't pay taxes still have children. Some even have multiple children. Some even live separately to maximise the benefits even if the NRP is working. CMS is not deducted from benefits. The burden of paying for any children produced should be 50/50 on both parents.

Women have more options than men, and a longer time to make choices.

So it makes sense that men keep it in their pants if they dont want a baby.

And unless men have severe learning difficulties, they all know this by the time they're old enough to be having sex. So all the people claiming men have no choice are being rather disingenuous. Men have a choice; what these misogynists actually want is for men to be entitled to consequence-free sex.

Would love to see not paying for your child considered by society to be as reprehensible as drink driving.
It needs a concerted public information campaign on the costs to society like they did with drink driving.
I would also love to see non payment classed as neglect. If the RP refused to buy food and clothes SS would be on the case before you can say deadbeat dad.
Child maintenance should not be a debt that's written off either. It should be attached to their tax code or national insurance number or something.
Non payment should be treated as any other debt and non payment should affect credit score and lead to CCJ's
It needs to be massively inconvenient to the NRP to not pay.
It shouldn't be optional, it needs to be something that makes men be less likely to willingly stick their knob in random women knowing they can dodge the consequences and leave other taxpayers to pick up the tab.

Should we also be shunning women that have multiple kids by multiple fathers?

the saddest thing is that you think that the men that do not support the kids that they have sired care about what other men think other than those that do the same thing.

My own comment does agree with that in some cases aswell.
I was responding to another persons comments as I agree with some of their opinions