To not pay for an unwanted child?

[Anudawan]

Hypothetical.

it came up at work today.

if the pregnancy was a result of a one night stand, regardless of whether precautions were taken, if the man doesn’t want the pregnancy and the woman decides to continue, should he be able to opt out of child support?

my personal answer and I’m not sure on the nuance (ie do you have be on the birth certificate and thus can claim parental responsibility in order to be compelled to pay maintenance or a dna test to compel the man) my personal answer is no, he cannot or shouldn’t be able to opt out once the child is born. All sex (with a woman of reproductive age) carries the risk of pregnancy, you can lower the risk but never fully remove it. Abstinence is the only way to do that. To do the action you’ve got to be prepared for the consequences. It’s very easy to flippantly say ‘get an abortion’ but for some women that isn’t viable.

In both of those cases, the mens stupidity is the reason for a pregnancy. Especially the second, Seriously, having sex with a stranger at a conference and neither care enough about themselves to protect against STDs. What luck that the conference lined up so perfectly for a pregnancy 🙄

These 'ladies' may exist but without stupid men, they would not succeed 🤷‍♀️

Where did I say the mother shouldn't pay?

Stupid men, and scheming lying con-women.

And lying con-men!

God we are now calling women con men because men didn’t push hard enough to wear a condom. The bar for men is so low it’s being melted by the earth’s core

no offence you would rather not be disappointed. See too many women in this situation having a child is a joint decision. If he’s told you no then you clearly cannot rely on him. It’s also unfair to the child

I think you're missing my point

the responsibility of not getting pregnant is on both of them, and if women don't want to get pregnant there are multiple options of birth control for them

same for men

the thing I'm trying to point out is if men REALLY do not want to be responsible for a child resulting from sex then they absolutely have this 100% within their control

and they can still have all the sex they want with whoever they want, they just cannot ejaculate inside a vagina

and so there is no way that they can be "trapped" or suffer unwanted consequences if they take responsibility for where their sperm ends up

and if they do not take that responsibility then yes, biology means that they do not get to tell a woman she must have an abortion or keep the pregnancy, because at that stage it's not their body

No, because it is her baby that must carry and birth the child. Also why a man can’t coerce her into an abortion.
this is really basic stuff

^body not baby

Both should be using protection - conceiving a child from a one night stand is just reckless and irresponsible 🤷‍♀️

I have come to the conclusion that women who rely on men and want child support etc from a man who has clearly not planned and is unwantimg that child are clinically insane and narcissistic. You are setting that child up for failure and rejection. Its acc really sad and sickening.

Nope. Should have worn a condom. And who do you expect to pay for it??? The state/taxpayers? No thanks

Absolutely you should not be able to opt out. It takes two to tango and if you really don’t want a child that much (man or women), guess what, don’t have sex, or do and accept that even with contraception there is a possibility of it in which cause you are both just as responsible for contributing for whatever the outcome of that might be.

He might not want this baby or have wanted a baby at all, but that becomes irrelevant if a baby is conceived. What the father did or didn't want has no relevance. He now has to face the consequences of his actions.

As has been pointed out on a number of times. Child support is for the.....child. A child that has two parents to support them.

No. Sex results in babies. People need to remember that more.

Read the post GDI.

I did. If the woman has a duty to inform the man of her fertility or else be labelled a con-woman then surely the man also has a duty to inform the woman. If he does not then he also is a con-man. He never told her he was fertile and neither did she inform him. Both were equal in not informing the other. A woman coming off her pill is the same as what he did. He stopped his condom use. Neither informed the other they were fertile. Neither took precautions.

Or like adults we can assume that both are fertile and both take responsibility. His lack of responsibility contributed to this. Men who take responsibility for their penis and what comes out of it cannot claim they were trapped.

How many men use this line to get away with their lack of responsibility?

😜🤣 good luck to you !

Thisssss but they won’t listen as they want to entrap the male

women aren't entrapping any men into having babies

men are willingly consciously doing the thing that creates babies without considering the consequences of their actions

if I go to a casino with $100 to gamble, because I like gambling because its fun, then I don't get to complain if I lose and do not win during my visit

it's not the casinos fault I lost all my money, it is the consequence of my decisions

if I don't want to lose all my money then I need to either not gamble, or practice some risk management rules about how I spend my money at the casino

again, if men REALLY do not want to become fathers then they absolutely have 100% control over that outcome

they need to not ejaculate into the vagina of a fertile woman

they don't have to take her word that she's using birth control, they can still have intimacy and still orgasm, they just shouldn't be doing that one thing

but the reality as we all know from our experience is a great number of men have no care for contraception, don't consider it, don't ask the woman they're having sex with if she's using it, say they don't like condoms, they just do. not. care.

so they don't get to complain about the consequences of their actions

it's almost like so many posters here seem to think men do not know what it is that creates babies

they do know guys, they just do. not. care.

Thing is it is these guys who then create a fake narrative to excuse their behaviour and say 'she trapped me' and paint her out to be the big bad wolf when the reality was they cannot bring themselves to say 'I wasn't responsible for my penis and what came out of it.'

OK, so there seem to be a lot of posters that believe that men shouldn't have PIV sex if they don't want to be a father.

Realistically, the alternatives are not that great for men. A lot of women don't want to have anal sex and men are not as stimulated by oral as women are as the clitoris is many times more sensitive than the penis.

And good luck to any man that tells a woman "I don't want to have sex with you in case you get pregnant". He'd be written off as a nutter. 😂 Women will absolutely not accommodate this line of thinking.

So what we're really saying is that it's just tough shit and men need to suck it up. No wonder so many men are complete bastards when it comes to supporting their kids!

It's a perfectly valid suggestion IMO to say that if somebody can prove that they already stated their desire to not be a father then they shouldn't be expected to contribute.

Otherwise, we might as well just tell women with abusive male partners "oh well, you could've completely avoided it by not dating a man".

Or we could tell women facing workplace discrimination that they didn't have to have a baby.

Men can use a condom or get a vasectomy and ensure they do not jizz anywhere they do not have consent to do so. Not that difficult.

Shame that you cannot think that there is only no sex as a solution and not telling men to take responsibility for their penis and what comes out of it.

It really isn't that difficult.

If she stated she didn't want kids and he jizzed in her he should face assault charges for the physical harm he has caused her.

Well, condoms break don't they? And when they do only one of the sexes has to worry about being forced into paying for an unwanted child.

I don't get your point about men 'jizzing in her'. Lying about wearing a condom is legally classified as rape and a man was actually jailed for four years for this exact crime last year. Maybe it's time women who lie about taking the pill are charged as rapists!

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