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To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

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Somethingthecatdraggedin7 · 19/03/2025 09:39

Given the amount of ableisism I see on MN I think the likelihood of people welcoming people with serious mental health conditions into their workplace is pretty low.
And yes, these people will very likely now be forced to try to work even though their condition makes it impossible. We are not just talking about some lazy twenty year old who expects to sit at home gaming due to his “anxiety” as many people seem to believe is the case. It will be people with significant impairments to social functioning.
Even if they get support to apply for jobs, and even if they then get the position (doubtful) how accommodating will colleagues or customers be if the person seems a bit odd, or gets adjustments workmates deem unfair?
This is going to be a total shit show.

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TigerRag · 06/05/2025 10:03

ThisOldThang · 06/05/2025 09:56

Are you aware of how annoying it is to have self-appointed people, such as yourself, attempting to derail the thread and neuter arguments by adopting the role of self-righteous thread police?

You think there's nothing wrong with minimising disabled people's struggles?

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 10:24

ThisOldThang · 06/05/2025 09:56

Are you aware of how annoying it is to have self-appointed people, such as yourself, attempting to derail the thread and neuter arguments by adopting the role of self-righteous thread police?

I agree with you here. People with disabilities can be helped to find suitable work.

For my job all I need is my laptop and WiFi and I actually work in an industry where I really enjoy what I do.

There are career counsellors and guidance coaches.

I for one find that my job gives me some sense of meaning and purpose in life as well.

TigerRag · 06/05/2025 10:29

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 10:24

I agree with you here. People with disabilities can be helped to find suitable work.

For my job all I need is my laptop and WiFi and I actually work in an industry where I really enjoy what I do.

There are career counsellors and guidance coaches.

I for one find that my job gives me some sense of meaning and purpose in life as well.

The last time I was"helped" to find work, I was put on an inaccessible work programme. Instead of helping me it just me stress because no one used their brains and just sent me on courses that I couldn't do

I had no choice but to get signed off (and it was getting harder due to my disabilities)

JobhuntingDespair · 06/05/2025 11:09

0ohLarLar · 05/05/2025 22:37

thisoldthang thank you

Exactly. For that group of people who clearly do have some functioning capability, it seems there can be a mindset of assuming a workplace simply won't offer any/enough of the concessions or supports that they rely on to manage other areas of life. I'm saying be open minded as actually these days workplace must & do offer far more concession to make work possible for people with additional challenges.

I work for a large corporate & my role gives me exposure to others. You might be surprised how many people manage work around mental health issues, children with severe disabilities, neurodiversity. Many find that work actually helps.

Firstly - I'd love to know what company you work for, and are they nation wide? Because I am desperately job seeking. Not being facetious, really want any leads possible!

I returned to work after years out the workplace due to mental ill health that turned out to have autism as an underlying cause (and explained why things weren't working that should have helped, different approach needed.)

I studied for a degree whilst unwell - it was Open University, and a subject I found fascinating and engaging (not necessarily one that would lead straight into a job) which made it far easier to manage. I could study entirely at times I could manage it - having times of crisis not able to cope with basic life didn't mean I had to drop out of the degree because I could make up the work another time. I studied part time over 6 years.

Employers of the sort who might allow this haphazard working pattern don't seem to employ people who have been out of work for years or who have little experience.

To start with I had to take any job that would have me, as I only had personal references and no recent work experience. I found a job which went brilliantly for a year or so, then things started to change. Demands became higher and more unreasonable. These included random unpredictable timetable getting worse, expectations of being "on call" for no pay on days off, being told we couldn't take any holiday days until we had a new team member (bearing in mind that even to attend an appointment you had to book holiday, as our shifts covered 7 days a week).

My mental health crumbled, partly because of the isolation and not being able to plan or join in with any sociable or fun things happening because they kept falling on my work days (I am single and childless so basically meant I had no meaningful human interaction). I was then treated like I was personally doing something wrong when I ended up breaking down and going off sick. (I couldn't even talk for the first week, I sort of existed and intermittently cried and was numb. Boss was angry I didn't get sick note in fast enough and said I should have someone who could arrange things for me if I was unwell - no clue that some of us don't). It's so upsetting even thinking about it now.

Anyway I forced myself back, only to find I was treated as if I'd let everyone down by being unwell, with a doubling down on harsh conditions. (The team were lovely, boss was not.) Ended up breaking down again and leaving. Another, mentally robust colleague who worked there for years left not long after, with a similar breakdown type thing, so it's not just me who found it too much.

My boss was a disabled woman, btw. Presumably didn't comprehend non physical disabilities.

After I recovered a bit I started to look for work again. In desperation took a domiciliary care job (I love the actual work, but was so concerned about random shifts). After two months on a zero hours contract (they start you on that for 6 months) with random shifts, shift changes, and large gaps unpaid in the middle of shifts (the hours I was actually paid were far less than hours taken up by work), not to mention being told off and treated like an idiot which turned out to be me uncovering serious neglect that should have been noticed earlier... oh and then catching an illness from a colleague, having two days off sick and being told my shifts for the next week were covered automatically so no pay for me ... I broke down again.

Now six months on (have done a college course part time whilst jobhunting)... desperate to find work.

I am @XenoBitch in many ways, just a few years on. I recovered enough I now can work regular hours, but it's bloody impossible finding something. The places that will employ me are desperate for staff as the working hours or other conditions are so bad.

I would love one of these mythical jobs where everyone is so accomodating and flexible. Hell, I'd be over the moon to even have a Mon-Fri 9-5 office job. But it seems impossible to find one without years of experience.

We need to focus on the pathway from being too ill to work, to working. Simply cutting benefits does nothing to help ill/disabled people find suitable work.

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 13:11

Waits patiently for those posters so desperate for some disabled people to work, to come back with a list of companies, and vacancies, that would be suitable.🪑

TigerRag · 06/05/2025 14:29

ThisOldThang · 05/05/2025 22:23

@Firefly1987 That's a disingenuous question. OohLarLar was clearly referring to those people that declare themselves to be 'too ill to work', but can manage holidays, childcare, hobbies, socialising and posting/using a computer.

Being out of work, isn't the same as declaring yourself unfit to work.

How does "I can go on holiday for a few days once a year" = well enough to work?

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 14:38

TigerRag · 06/05/2025 14:29

How does "I can go on holiday for a few days once a year" = well enough to work?

If you're well enough to travel and go abroad, you're not well enough to use a laptop and do work?

Can book tickets, fights and hotels on the laptop but not work?

XenoBitch · 06/05/2025 15:00

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 14:38

If you're well enough to travel and go abroad, you're not well enough to use a laptop and do work?

Can book tickets, fights and hotels on the laptop but not work?

Your assuming the person not able to work is the one doing the booking. I go on holiday with my mum, and she does all that stuff.

TigerRag · 06/05/2025 15:23

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 14:38

If you're well enough to travel and go abroad, you're not well enough to use a laptop and do work?

Can book tickets, fights and hotels on the laptop but not work?

That's totally different to working 40 hours a week?

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 15:27

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 14:38

If you're well enough to travel and go abroad, you're not well enough to use a laptop and do work?

Can book tickets, fights and hotels on the laptop but not work?

Ever heard of someone having help?

thatsalad · 06/05/2025 15:33

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 14:38

If you're well enough to travel and go abroad, you're not well enough to use a laptop and do work?

Can book tickets, fights and hotels on the laptop but not work?

I've got AUDHD go to on holiday a few times a year and I am well enough to work part-time from home, but the fact that it's actually really difficult to get a part-time wfh job and the fact that the jobs I did have in the past for not accomodating and supportive pushed my mental health into tatters, so now I'm on long term sickness benefits, not because of my disability, but because of the lack of support and accomodations pushed me into suicidal depression.

I'm sure I'm not the only one with this problem! The goverment needs to have some schemes where they help get disabled people into work that is suitable for them, and hold companies to account when it comes to providing accomodations, but instead all "support" they give you is a work coach who checks in on you once a week just to tick a box. There is no actual support!!!

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 15:36

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 13:11

Waits patiently for those posters so desperate for some disabled people to work, to come back with a list of companies, and vacancies, that would be suitable.🪑

Stands up stiffly, as chair is feeling a bit hard. Is there an emoji for tumbleweed?

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 15:44

TigerRag · 06/05/2025 15:23

That's totally different to working 40 hours a week?

If you can enjoy a holiday, handle the packed flight, can you not work?

If you have chronic pain/fatigue like just existing hurts so you can't really enjoy anything can you?

thatsalad · 06/05/2025 15:48

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 15:44

If you can enjoy a holiday, handle the packed flight, can you not work?

If you have chronic pain/fatigue like just existing hurts so you can't really enjoy anything can you?

Chronic fatigue doesn't mean that you can't enjoy anything, it means you get really tired really quickly. Surely you can see how someone with chronic fatigue can be next to a pool in Spain for a few weeks a year, but cannot work for 40h a week? Suffering 24/7 is not the only criteria for being disabled.

Frowningprovidence · 06/05/2025 15:55

I would love a job that is like being on holiday.

I quite like my job, but it has to be done when it needs doing, not when I feel up to it and it has to be done at the pace, quality and quantity my employer thinks is worth paying for, regardless of how I feel.

I have been working 30 plus years and it has never been similar to a holiday, or pottering about on the Internet for an hour and then taking a short walk. If it were I wouldn't need weekends or annual leave and could earn 5.6 weeks more pay, plus 104 days more pay.

JenniferBooth · 06/05/2025 15:55

Hmm work That place that some healthcare workers expect family members to just walk out of with no notice when something happens or is needed for an elderly or disabled family member This cuntry needs to make its fucking mind up

XenoBitch · 06/05/2025 15:58

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 15:44

If you can enjoy a holiday, handle the packed flight, can you not work?

If you have chronic pain/fatigue like just existing hurts so you can't really enjoy anything can you?

Wow, so being able to enjoy something now, means you can work?

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 16:02

There seems to be a thinly veiled message from some posters that disabled people should not be enjoying anything, unless they themselves, have worked for it, in paid employment.

CentralLimit · 06/05/2025 16:08

This debate belongs in another era. Within a decade or so there's going to be an AI and robotics revolution in the workplace. At best, many people will need to completely retrain, at worst there will be mass unemployment.

Many of the "willing and able" people on these threads will find themselves on the wrong side of this change. They need to start thinking about how they want to be treated when it happens.

This is what we (all) need to be talking about, not trying to force every last disabled person into work.

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 16:21

XenoBitch · 06/05/2025 15:58

Wow, so being able to enjoy something now, means you can work?

If you can do all this other stuff and enjoy it, why can't you work a job?

Anyhow the taxpayer shouldn't be subsiding luxuries for anyone. Especially since many people work and can't even afford to go abroad.

XenoBitch · 06/05/2025 16:37

Jjjjyy · 06/05/2025 16:21

If you can do all this other stuff and enjoy it, why can't you work a job?

Anyhow the taxpayer shouldn't be subsiding luxuries for anyone. Especially since many people work and can't even afford to go abroad.

Edited

You really have no clue, do you?
I think you are being deliberately obtuse and goady.

JobhuntingDespair · 06/05/2025 16:43

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 13:11

Waits patiently for those posters so desperate for some disabled people to work, to come back with a list of companies, and vacancies, that would be suitable.🪑

Yes, I know.

I'm desperate to get back to work, actively trying to. Why won't they point me in the right direction?

LadyKenya · 06/05/2025 16:55

Because for all of their talk, the fact remains that people with disabilities will find it harder to get a job, especially if they need adaptations. The majority will just be screened out at a face to face interview, and will just likely be told, that someone more qualified blah, blah... Of course that is not to say that there are not thousands of disabled people in employment. we know that there are. I was throwing it out there to those posters who seem to think that no matter what the physical, or mental issues are, that they can somehow all work in some capacity. I am still waiting for a list of these ever so understanding companies, firms etc that would be willing to take on someone, for example, who has several appointments a month, at their local hospital, taking up hours, and who is not able to always work a full day the rest of the time. That is just for starters.

JobhuntingDespair · 06/05/2025 16:57

@Jjjjyy
If you can do all this other stuff and enjoy it, why can't you work a job?

What kind of godawful holidays do you go on that are as hard as going to work?!

But seriously. You know that work is harder than a holiday, or something fun. That's why people get paid for it and don't just do it for nothing.

Fun stuff can be done in moderation, carefully paced, and at a time that the person is able to. It doesn't matter if you can't manage something on a particular day or time, no one is checking the quality of your fun, and if you break down and cry and have to leave it's more or less ok.

A job requires you to work to someone else's standards and pace. You are expected to go in day after day even when you're not well enough. If you can't manage it you get fired.

Now if you could just tell me the name of the job where I can book a few flights and hotels in my own time, and relax in the sun, and get paid for it - I'm eager to apply, got my CV at the ready!

ThisOldThang · 06/05/2025 17:15

I've never been on a holiday where the travel has been easier or less stressful than commuting to work.

I fully appreciate that the work itself isn't the same as relaxing on holiday, but the ability to travel to an airport, conforming with their strict schedules and deadlines, transfers, checking in, etc, suggests a certain level of stamina and resilience. It can easily take 8 hours door to door and is a highly stressful experience.

If you can do that, you can probably work - at least part-time.