To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

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Given the amount of ableisism I see on MN I think the likelihood of people welcoming people with serious mental health conditions into their workplace is pretty low.
And yes, these people will very likely now be forced to try to work even though their condition makes it impossible. We are not just talking about some lazy twenty year old who expects to sit at home gaming due to his “anxiety” as many people seem to believe is the case. It will be people with significant impairments to social functioning.
Even if they get support to apply for jobs, and even if they then get the position (doubtful) how accommodating will colleagues or customers be if the person seems a bit odd, or gets adjustments workmates deem unfair?
This is going to be a total shit show.

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make here?

Are saying that a man who has all the hallmarks of a brain injury should be sacked because his condition has left him lacking in social skills? Should he take one for the team and sit at home on benefits for the rest of his life, so that you have 'proof' that there's no place for disabled people in the workplace?

If they can't deal with it, they should learn how to deal with it instead of living off the taxpayer.

"Cant deal with it." Learn how to deal with it.

Also, the job market is dire right now. Plenty of threads on here about it.

Employers are going to be taking on the people with the best skills and experience... and there are plenty of those people right now. Disabled people being binned off of benefits and into the job market don't stand a chance.

And we have threads about having to deal with colleagues with MH issues... or people forced to work in childcare.

It seems to be that some people want the unemployable to be forced into jobs so they can then complain about them when they can't do those jobs.

Some people are ND and can't "learn to deal with it!"

There is a community hub where I live, and it is run by volunteers. A lot of them are ND, and they have had to "sack" some for being rude to customers.
You can provide reasonable adjustments for lots of things, but some things you can't adjust or accept away.

Yeah Ive noticed the horror displayed at the fact that ppl unsuitable for the job are ending up in childcare
Not many gave a shit when it was care homes!

Because customers going to the supermarket should not expect to have to be abused...it's amazing this needs explaining. Retail is a customer facing job, there are many trolley workers that don't need to communicate with customers much and that's fine but being rude and shouting at customers should never be accepted.

Lots of ND people manage to hold down jobs.

Look up the employment rate for autistic people. It is not that much at all.

Exactly. I know someone who killed herself because she hated her job so much. I'm sure everyone around her and society told her "learn how to deal with it." and look at the result. You can't force people who genuinely can't cope to cope. But what are a few suicides eh?

Sorry to hear that.
That is what happened to me pretty much... was told "everyone hates their job"... like it is something you have to accept. If it is causing you that much pain, you need to leave.
I stuck with it, and ended up sectioned. You can only cope until you can't anymore.

Mental health needs to be taken seriously more so then a druggy or alcoholic who can claim pip cause they have diabetes but still able to walk fine..
Mental health isn't a choice like the choice to take drugs or alcohol

Mental health and addiction are very often intertwined. One can mask the other, and sadly the different services will not deal with someone if they think there are MH/addiction issues.
I know a few people that are alcoholics... MH services wont touch them as they say it is an addiction issue. Addiction services wont touch them as they say they are self medicating a MH issue. Same with drugs too.
So these people fall in the gap and get no help from anywhere.

And yes, it is a choice to take that first drink or drug.. but no one chooses to be addicted.

Yes there is a massive difference between not particularly liking work and not being able to cope with it at all. So sorry that happened to you, no one should be forced to reach breaking point.

To be fair, some posters on that thread have mentioned care homes too.

The policy is a fine example of the triumph of pie in the sky over reality.

I remember him spraying down the trolleys during COVID, so he's held down that job for at least five years. It appears that the customers and his employer are willing to make allowances for his disability.

It seems that you're desperate to find reasons why people can't/shouldn't work.

"differently abled"? Are you aware how insulting that is?

Retail, childcare and care work are ideal jobs for people who earn low wages, they pay okay too, I am a low earning employee as are a lot of my neighbours, I am grateful that the jobs exist, I know people who really enjoying doing them, my Dsis went back to train as a dementia carer, she loves it, she loves the residents and the work, it can be messy, but it is very rewarding
Many older women work in early years, 400 a week is a decent wage for some people.
My DH works in retail for 20 years, granted, he has climbed the ladder but from work experience, not education.

My local Sainsbury's has a number of differently abled staff. The guy that collects the trolleys has zero social/customer skills (he's really quite rude
As are many able-bodied retail staff members. 🙄

Do you honestly believe what you have written? If so, may I suggest that you do some basic reading about addictions. And about diabetes as well, while you are at it. Having that disease does not mean that you can't walk fine!

Reminds me of NIMBYs (not in my back yard)

Now we’ll have NIMPOWs - not in my place of work!

To some extent this is already the case - the 50% of the population who are lower earners are net recipients of the state

I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. I glad you ended up getting help at the end. Are you working now? I support helping people find the rights jobs for them instead of just having them live off the state.

All those things can be broken up with rest periods. Actual rest, not a break on a plastic chair.

Are you aware of how annoying it is to have self-appointed people, such as yourself, attempting to derail the thread and neuter arguments by adopting the role of self-righteous thread police?