To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

[Somethingthecatdraggedin7]

Given the amount of ableisism I see on MN I think the likelihood of people welcoming people with serious mental health conditions into their workplace is pretty low.
And yes, these people will very likely now be forced to try to work even though their condition makes it impossible. We are not just talking about some lazy twenty year old who expects to sit at home gaming due to his “anxiety” as many people seem to believe is the case. It will be people with significant impairments to social functioning.
Even if they get support to apply for jobs, and even if they then get the position (doubtful) how accommodating will colleagues or customers be if the person seems a bit odd, or gets adjustments workmates deem unfair?
This is going to be a total shit show.

Our current tax system remains completely inadequate to tackle inequality and I expect it to continue to rise.

If we did reduce it, the evidence suggests that we would see reduced asset prices, especially houses, reduced inflation, higher food security, reduced crime, greater social mobility, and higher scores on a range of wellbeing measures including mental and physical health. Among other benefits. So that's how.

Looks like you already have your answer @Somethingthecatdraggedin7

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5326040-childcare-is-not-a-dumping-ground-for-the-unemployable?page=1

Having a look now. I am waiting for one about people being forced to work in care.
I am fed up with being told that having a pair of functioning hands means I can wipe bums.

Is there something you feel is possible?

Not sure of your situation.

She regularly posts about how 'she'd love to work', but every single suggested job, or idea for a self-employed business, is simply impossible. She's not worked for 15 years and doesn't react well to suggestions that, perhaps, there might be something she's capable of doing.

She could work as the child minder for your kids couldnt she.
Put your money where your mouth is!!

“Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things.” ― Terry Pratchett, I Shall Wear Midnight

Just posted this on another thread but think it is appropriate here as well.

Mumsnet is a cesspit for people who treat people as things. At the end of the day there is actually enough resources to go round, it is just a few people choose to hoard the resources and laugh at those that are less fortunate.

Other jobs do exist...

(She's previously stated that she doesn't qualify for PIP, so she's just classed as a 'job seeker' on UC. Is it unreasonable that job seekers actually seek employment rather than declaring every job unsuitatable and claiming benefits for 15 years?)

So you want her to work Just not near you and yours eh!

Where has @ThisOldThang said that?

This isn't correct. Many disabled people don't qualify for pip but do qualify for LCWRA on universal credit which means they have no requirements to seek work

I remember once having a twitter fight with someone who was unemployed for years , "couldn't work" or "couldn't find work" but had time to dress up in silly superhero costumes and go to conventions.

Oh but going on holiday, engaging with hobbies, relaxing, having fun....all people's RIGHT and essential...
Having the energy and 'spoons' to only do what you want, and what benefits YOU is of course perfectly acceptable, and anyone who doesn't agree is an evil bigot, who wants people to die....🙄🙄

What do you think he means by "other jobs do exist" Dont be so bloody disingenuous

Aren’t you a delight

It’s possible that this has changed as I’ve been in continuous employment for 20+ years, but at one time you were literally not allowed to tell the job centre you would take any job going. You literally had to specify a field of work and be looking for work in that specific field. I thought it unhelpful back then, before I had chronic pain and mobility issues plus chronic fatigue, but I can see it being potentially helpful for those who are limited by their health to specify, for example, that they can’t do anything that involves standing for long periods. And before anyone starts baying ‘they should be grateful for any job going!’ what’s the use of, say, sending someone for an interview on the shop floor in Tesco if they can’t stand for more than thirty minutes without extreme pain? (as is the case for me, unfortunately). It just wastes everybody’s time. Hopefully DWP takes this into account these days (I wouldn’t know), but judging by the tone of some recent MN threads it’s not very well understood in general society.

if thats what calling out hypocrisy makes me then so be it

Faux outrage

Proving @Somethingthecatdraggedin7 point beautifully

I mean, are disabled people supposed to stay indoors looking longingly out of the window at the "ableds" enjoying their lives?

There's a difference between going on a holiday or spending an hour a week engaging in a hobby and trying to hold down a job.

I suspect that is precisely what pp wants disabled people to do. And apparently the spoons theory isn’t valid either. Edifying.

You got into a fight on twitter over that, how unbecoming of you.

@JenniferBooth

That poster and another were tag teaming each other and accusing me of all sorts on another thread (I can't remember what one but it filled up and was vile... not just to me but a couple of other very vulnerable posters too).

For starters, I am on UC (LCWRA) so not a job seeker. UC has not been around for 15 years. I started claiming end of 2017. I was on no benefits at all for 7 years previous to that. I was forced out of my job due to ill health in 2010. I had to claim them in 2107 as my relationship broke down and I was facing homelessness. Before 2017 I was at uni.
That poster and the other vile person kept going on and on about how I should start up a business as a coffee van, because they apparently know someone who does. They said I think I am above serving coffee. I told them I am not interested in it, asked where I would get the money from to start one.... oh and one simple fact they kept ignoring was that I am not allowed to drive
They accused me of getting medication and binning it so I could lie and claim benefits. They said I can post on MN so clearly don't have MH issues (ignoring the fact there is a whole MH board on this site.... people often post on there from psych wards). Oh, and I do post but NC.

When I see their names, my heart actually sinks because I know they are going to start on me and drag stuff up. I really wish there was a way to block posters on here.

Oh and right now I am under the Home Treatment team and they are helping me apply for PIP. They were shocked I was not already on it. I have years and stacks of evidence. My old CPN went on at me for years about applying. I am too fragile for the process.... nothing to do with not being eligible. A lot of people that would be eligible are put off by how intrusive it can be.

I tagged you and not anyone for the simple reason I don't want them engaging with me at all. I am not well and their unfounded accusations are going to push me over the edge. If they see this, then please respect my wishes and leave me the fuck alone... and get a life.

There's a difference between going on a holiday or spending an hour a week engaging in a hobby and trying to hold down a job.

Some posters seem to have problems comprehending this fact.

I attend a few support groups. Does that mean anyone who goes there can work??
It is ridiculous.