To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

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Given the amount of ableisism I see on MN I think the likelihood of people welcoming people with serious mental health conditions into their workplace is pretty low.
And yes, these people will very likely now be forced to try to work even though their condition makes it impossible. We are not just talking about some lazy twenty year old who expects to sit at home gaming due to his “anxiety” as many people seem to believe is the case. It will be people with significant impairments to social functioning.
Even if they get support to apply for jobs, and even if they then get the position (doubtful) how accommodating will colleagues or customers be if the person seems a bit odd, or gets adjustments workmates deem unfair?
This is going to be a total shit show.

There’s simply no choice. If we continue on the current trajectory the UK will be bankrupt.

The reason for the apparent rise in ND diagnoses is due to women now being diagnosed, whereas they didn't used to be years ago. ND was seen as only affecting males. Do you think women and girls don't deserve a diagnosis as well? We're supposed to just get on with it? ND women used to end up with a personality disorder diagnosis instead, and all the stigma and discrimination that goes with that.

Also, our ND rates are no higher than other countries.

Every teacher of over 10 years have said they’ve noticed a huge increase in ND, and not just better diagnosis.

Tax the rich is such a simple view!! Let’s just plow more money into a system that doesn’t work!! What needs to happen is mental health services need to be improved. Rather then just throw some PIP at people and there mental health never get better cos they aren’t doing anything with there life

What do you think is meant by the rich? Wealth taxes typically apply to wealth over £10million. Much of that will be inherited or passive income that no one has ever worked for.

Everyone knows that not everyone claiming to have mental health issues have them. They are basically too lazy to work. They won’t be employed anywhere. There is no cure for laziness. Why should they get benefits to be lazy?

That would all be very well and good if workplaces were more open-minded and inclusive. But as things stand, declaring a disability/health issue that might require the adjustments and support you mention does not exactly put a candidate at the top of some employers' lists when it comes to hiring, regardless how 'rewarding for them and for the rest of society' this might potentially be.

Yes and therein lies the problem. I’ve no idea where the jobs are going to come from

Er, the richest aren't earning their wealth or working harder than anyone else. Tax wealth more and work less. I pay 40% tax, there's no way I've worked harder than a carer, either paid or not.

They can't lose really when they've got most of the country spouting their propaganda for free.

There are not a mythical group of people or businesses that can be taxed without consequences for us all in terms of employment and our overall prosperity. The reality is that increased taxes reach a number of us quite quickly. For this not to happen our economy needs to be more productive. That means more people work rather than claim benefit.

'A little down.' 🙄

FFS. Come back when you know what you're talking about.

No. Tax the assets. You do know some of these people own multiple million pound houses? You seem to think “rich” starts at a job earning £50k. It doesn’t although that’s a decent wage for a youngster.

I have bipolar and have experienced bullying in the work place due to my disability and I have worked for a supportive employer. Guess when my mood has been the most stable?!
My mood is managed by medication but even so there can be times when the side effects are problematic. I developed a tremor for a short while which meant I couldn't do aspects of my job untill it resolved. My meds were switched to instant release from modified release without me being told which made me more sedated in the mornings. I was allowed to adjust my work to do tasks that were less complicated in the mornings and do the rest of my work and hour or so after I got in and was less groggy.
COVID revealed that those with severe mental illness suffer worse with infections, something I have suspected for a long time. I have always paid for a flu jab as a result but now qualify for COVID vaccines. I've continued to wear masks on rush hour trains to reduce my exposure to coughs, colds and sickness bugs and my physical wellbeing has been so much better as a result which improves my mood. Having 3 days on the sofa with a bad cold has been enough to trigger a 3 month depressive episode before. Attending a wedding and having 2 nights of poor quality sleep once triggered a 6+ month episode resulting in a 4 month leave of absence from my uni course.
I was ever so grateful when my big boss pulled me to one side on my first day back after a particularly bad episode that resulted in an admission to hospital. He said we want you back once so take it easy and come back as slowly as you need. We would rather you do that than rush back and end up unwell again. I did, I never managed to get back to full-time but working 4 days a week meant I got the benefits of work whilst prioritising my needs too.

Agreed. People with severe and long term impairment and disability won’t be affected. Economic inactivity is a huge problem. Huge. It’s costing us ridiculous amounts of money and not-working is not the only solution to many people who struggle.

Tbf nothing is 100% fool proof.

Most people know of someone who receives disability benefit with a lot of fabrication involved.

Dh knew a man who would wear an adult nappy to their gp and assessments, never otherwise, he knew this man well, he was a bit bonkers, highly strung, but not suffering incontinence.

Doctors generally write reports based on the information given by the patient.

I'd say the percentage is smaller than people think, but it is happening and used as a lifestyle for some in any country that offers it.

Not gleeful but I have witnessed first hand people before they are even old enough to enter the benefits system talk about how they don’t want to work, want to claim benefits, will have a baby as soon as they can to get on the list for a council house. Changes certainly need to be made, I’m not saying these are the right changes (to be honest I’ve not had the time to dissect yesterdays announcement as much as I’d like) but something needs to be done. It’s a sorry state when our welfare bill dwarfs our defence budget - especially with 2 volatile men facing off against each other from across the North Atlantic Ocean…

People want to deny that benefit fraudsters exist but they do.

I do know a couple of people who don’t work due to anxiety but I just find it interesting that they don’t get anxious about going out, clubbing, attending events etc but they do get anxious about working. There are solution for these people other than them relying on the state

The educated minority: "Inequality is spiralling, the super rich are buying all the assets and causing inflation, hollowing out the middle so that our children's generation be destitute like Victorian times. We have to act now!"

The great British public: "but what about punishing my shitty neighbours?"

But anyone earning over £50.2k pay 40% above that threshold. I don't think rich starts at that at all, so much so I'd like to see the threshold much higher, then I could have more of the income I actually earn

There is a culture in the UK of generational benefit families where it is the norm for people to claim PIP. The grandparents, parents and now children claim benefits and don’t work.

I am fed up reading that this is not the case, I live in an area that it is prevalent, I know these families and their circumstances and know it to be true.

100 per cent. We’ve always had the feckless. Benefits should not be a lifestyle choice, but open your eyes! The wealthiest are the ones ripping far more piss than the wally up the road who won’t work

And find the 45 minute commute too stressful for their MH or get anxious about sitting near people on the bus.

2 hour flight to Benidorm or 4 hours to Turkey..... yeah no problem love, hold my Lambrini...

I'm so worried about my daughter.

There's so little available in terms of flexible or part time work. How is she going to get a job and survive when she can't keep up with other non disabled employees?

Yes the airports are absolutely heaving with disabled people spending their benefits aren't they.....

Honestly, what do you base that nonsense on? A friend of a friend who knows someone down their road?

Yeah, it must be horrible to live in those places with higher tax and better pensions and services.

I remember when we had free education for life, a functioning NHS and healthy pensions, but then we gave away our assets to the rich, cut the top rate of tax and waited for all their economic activity to trickle down.