To be really cross about the proposed cuts?

[Byjimminy]

And feel really effing sorry for those with genuine anxiety and depression - it is disabling!

Already seeing threads in MH with people despairing in anticipation of cuts. As if mental health services haven't already been decimated beyond recognition already. GP appointments as rare as hen's teeth, CAMHS and access to decent therapy is next to non-existent, the conservatiives slashed all the support workers and sure start centres and we've had the worst pandemic in decades (centuries?) - long covid is thing too! And now people are just self diagnosing/making up mental health issues? How the hell anyone believes anyone manages to claim PIP without a proper diagnosis is insanity itself.

I completely agree with this article: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/wes-streeting-overdiagnosis-mental-health-adhd-b2716618.html

I know there will be umpteen threads on this already, but maybe some others like me just want to let stuff out in frustration and have a fresh place to say it. To think this is a labour government making these decisions BEFORE putting the services in place to actually help and treat people is beyond comprehension.

Surely it's always better to go to work and know you earned your own money, than to sit at home all day not working and knowing your money comes courtesy of other people working?

Not, if all you can think about is that you don’t want to be here anymore. Tomorrow or any time in the future is an irrelevance, because you don’t intend to be here tomorrow!

It’s also irrelevant to people with learning disabilities with very little concept of money - who think shops and restaurants are run by kind people, giving their stuff away! (Because they don’t ever pay themselves, as they can’t remember their pin card, and don’t know how much change, if any to expect if they hand notes over)

People need to commit to supporting themselves.
Living off benefits because you chose to because you are better off financially is taking the p… of tax payers.

Agree
Financially people are not necessarily better off working. We’ve seen that time and time again on threads such as this with many examples of people posting their income from benefits. That has to stop.
People need to work, it cannot be a choice.

We used to have a society with a good work ethic, and we had that because the infrastructure and culture was in place. Thats been dismantled. If you want the work ethic back, rebuild it.

We need the money. We need the taxes and ni
As benefits have grown so have bills. Look at the extortionate amount people now pay in council tax.

Look at the increased numbers on benefits and UC top ups.

We had a good work ethic, let’s not forget, because there wasn’t much financial help to fall back on. Now there’s no requirement to work full time as you can get your salary topped up.
Many people on here never had that option.
You worked and had to live on that. If you didn’t get enough hours you found another job. If your work didn’t pay much you picked up bar work, cleaning through the night ..whatever.
These top ups have meant people chose to work the bare minimum.

Im sure you recall when the min hours required was raised and suddenly all these people who ‘couldn’t possibly work because they can’t find the job, couldn’t possibly work because they can’t fit it in’…suddenly found the extra hours. Surprise surprise !!

A lack of work ethic has nothing to do with poor infrastructure. The latter came after

I understand that, but then this should incentivise people to work up or out of that job, or train.

We cannot afford to support everyone who is depressed - it should be severe cases only and even then they require treatment and support to get better!

Under this attitude, it’s like you’re saying benefits are to bank roll people who don’t intend to work. We all had to start somewhere. Appreciate it’s not an easy ride for everyone but that’s life unfortunately and life is unequal and unfair. I would have loved to have walked into a job from a family business or something, but I didn’t. I struggled growing up with depression, but I worked through it and have always worked. Sometimes very menial jobs.

I do agree with this actually.

Assessments done over the phone, no access to medical records equals recipe for fraud.

The more honest don't get it when they should, the dishonest... well.....

Then there are people who work PT but want to work FT but will be worse off if they do.....

24% of the population registered disabled??? meanwhile someone i know who is paraplegic had to fund his own wheelchair....

No wonder we have no money...

6.8 million jobs thats over 20% of the UK workforce are taken by foreign nationals who come here to work.
Add that to the 800,000 available jobs at the moment and there’s plenty of jobs out their to earn a wage.

That was last years figures. Now we’ve added staff in prisons to that figure currently being advertised abroad because no one here wants the work and I dare say we’ll see an increase.

Is it really any wonder Labour are making changes.

Dare I say some foreign workers have a better work ethic than some British nationals 👀

They've done what, even the tories didn't dare to do. That they were so evil werent they.

And you're lucky to have grandparents helping with childcare.
Without this valuable support, it makes everything much harder!

Nobody else seems to want the jobs the "foreign nationals" are doing, or UK workers are not as skilled as them...

What is "registered disabled"? As far as I know there is no register of disabled people. I must have missed the memo on joining it.

This is what I’ve found re registered disabled:
In the UK, "registered disabled" typically refers to individuals who are on a local authority register under the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970, or who hold a green identity card from the Manpower Services Commission for employment purposes, qualifying for special services

I have never heard of any of those things.

Me either to be fair 🤷‍♀️

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/registering-as-disabled/

Ah there is no register then.

Doesn’t look like it.

I saw those threads and there were a lot of people who worked full time and still got UC. That is not their fault. The lower paid and essential jobs need doing but the people doing them can't afford to live off that wage alone so they get top ups. In a lot of cases it was housing element that made the amounts they got bigger.
Also a lot of people on that thread claimed DLA/PIP meaning a disability. PIP is not an out of work benefit and is not means tested.

I'm registered partially sighted and understand you can register as deaf and there's a register for people with learning disabilities. But for the most part you can't register as disabled

Ok regardless of there not being a register... the numbers are known.

How many people have a disability? The latest estimates from the Department for Work and Pensions' Family Resources Survey indicate that 16.1 million people in the UK had a disability in the 2022/23 financial year. This represents 24% of the total population.
2 Oct 2024

A 1/4 of the population in a developed country classed as disabled and going up.

Sustainable?

Either there has been a massive increase in the number of disabilities in the population or the criteria has changed in recent years as to waht a disability is and who can claim for it. I suspect it's the latter.

But no one quarter of the population being disabled and on benefits is very high and not sustainable.

Both my kids are classed as having a disabillity my youngest is severly autiistic non verbal will never be independent etc
My oldest is an insulin dependent Diabetic theres a huge difference between them though
My oldest rightly doesnt meet the crteria for disabillity benefits and whilst his Diabetes limits him in some ways he can essentislly lead an independent life
Whereas my youngest gets the highest rates of DLA
Having a disabillity doesnt automatically entitle anyone to disability benefits its how the disability impacts a person.