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BE - dog and newborn guilt

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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

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Ylvamoon · 21/03/2025 22:55

@Cat921 you made the right decision for your family. You saved yourself from a lot of heartache and the dog from a lot of unnecessary stress.

For what it's worth, I was in a similar position many years ago.

I also had a little terrier, he was my world, clever and actually very good at obedience & agility. But a class 1 hooligan on normal walks!
We started having problems at home when DC was getting mobile with crawling & walking...the dog used to lower his head and walk away growling. He clearly didn't want to be near a toddler DC... and I always felt it was an accident waiting to happen. I was lucky enough that we could re home to someone with a lot of terrier experience.

Some dogs are not keen on children and if in doubt, sadly, the dog has to go. At 14, your dog had many happy years with you. Of course you feel sad and guilty, but the alternative would have been far worse.

HappyMamma2023 · 21/03/2025 23:07

I say this as a dog lover - you have 100% done the right thing. JT are terriers and can be a bit nuts! He would have associated the baby as prey. It could have ended very badly. Think of the good times and look back at photos of your dog and have lots of cuddles withyour lovely newborn.

Skinthin · 22/03/2025 01:07

Ylvamoon · 21/03/2025 22:55

@Cat921 you made the right decision for your family. You saved yourself from a lot of heartache and the dog from a lot of unnecessary stress.

For what it's worth, I was in a similar position many years ago.

I also had a little terrier, he was my world, clever and actually very good at obedience & agility. But a class 1 hooligan on normal walks!
We started having problems at home when DC was getting mobile with crawling & walking...the dog used to lower his head and walk away growling. He clearly didn't want to be near a toddler DC... and I always felt it was an accident waiting to happen. I was lucky enough that we could re home to someone with a lot of terrier experience.

Some dogs are not keen on children and if in doubt, sadly, the dog has to go. At 14, your dog had many happy years with you. Of course you feel sad and guilty, but the alternative would have been far worse.

Some dogs are not keen on children and if in doubt, sadly, the dog has to go

people with these kinds of attitudes really just need to not get dogs. It’s really simple and easy. Getting a pet is not a requirement- just don’t do it.

Ylvamoon · 22/03/2025 04:06

@Skinthin - I have owed trained & rescued dogs all my life, I mostly share my home with multiple dogs at any given time. I currently have 3, including one that comes from someone with young children.

Dogs are like humans, they have unique personalities in addition to certain traits that have been selected by humans for specific purposes. As such, some individuals are just not suitable as family pets, however much we would like them to be.

I had said dog in my post from pup, he lived with another dog and went regular training class. In class, when he had a job to do, he was ace. At home or on a walk, he had very challenging behaviours. These were his personality & breed traits. He was pedigree, so I was lucky enough to do some research into his lines. This gave me an insight into breeding & selecting dogs for specific purposes - my terrier was never meant to be a pet - I did Agility & Obedience with him before DC came along I never envisaged re homing. I also never gave him an opportunity to bite DC or any other human by finding the right working home for him.

As I said in my original post this dog was an accident waiting to happen around very young children. Not a chance I was prepared to take. However imoral you find my opinion about giving up dogs that are not compatible with a young family, I know that the risk just isn't worth it. So yes, sometimes the dog has to go when DC come along for DC''s safety and the ex dog owners sanity.

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 05:58

SquashedSquid · 21/03/2025 21:25

No. No it shouldn't be like this. You don't kill a "beloved", healthy family pet because you want to breed. What the fuck?

This was not a healthy family pet, it was a nightmare reactive (usually code for unpredictable/aggressive) dog with a history of biting.

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 06:51

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 05:58

This was not a healthy family pet, it was a nightmare reactive (usually code for unpredictable/aggressive) dog with a history of biting.

I take it from the laugh reaction to my above post that SquashedSquid didn't see my post upthread about the baby in ITU that got bitten by a (healthy) JRT. Or do the mad dog people on this thread think things like that are funny now? Confused

Skinthin · 22/03/2025 07:12

Ylvamoon · 22/03/2025 04:06

@Skinthin - I have owed trained & rescued dogs all my life, I mostly share my home with multiple dogs at any given time. I currently have 3, including one that comes from someone with young children.

Dogs are like humans, they have unique personalities in addition to certain traits that have been selected by humans for specific purposes. As such, some individuals are just not suitable as family pets, however much we would like them to be.

I had said dog in my post from pup, he lived with another dog and went regular training class. In class, when he had a job to do, he was ace. At home or on a walk, he had very challenging behaviours. These were his personality & breed traits. He was pedigree, so I was lucky enough to do some research into his lines. This gave me an insight into breeding & selecting dogs for specific purposes - my terrier was never meant to be a pet - I did Agility & Obedience with him before DC came along I never envisaged re homing. I also never gave him an opportunity to bite DC or any other human by finding the right working home for him.

As I said in my original post this dog was an accident waiting to happen around very young children. Not a chance I was prepared to take. However imoral you find my opinion about giving up dogs that are not compatible with a young family, I know that the risk just isn't worth it. So yes, sometimes the dog has to go when DC come along for DC''s safety and the ex dog owners sanity.

Dogs are like humans, they have unique personalities in addition to certain traits that have been selected by humans for specific purposes

Thank you for mansplaining animals to me 😆.

I think that’s great that you share your home with dogs and that you were able to take in a challenging dog given up by a family. ❤️ hats off to you.

My only point was that it’s clear to me that a lot of people on this thread have a very disposable attitude towards animals. I think that if this is your attitude and if you have , or are planning to have small children, or if you are not prepared to deal with a dog who has challenging behaviours for other reasons the. you should just absolutely NOT get a dog. It’s that simple. Get another pet who won’t come with these kinds of challenges, or just don’t get a pet at all. Like you said, animals have different characters and personalities, you can never guarantee what kind of traits yours will have. Just don’t get one.

If you take in an animal, in my view, you absolutely make a commitment to care for that animal and treat them as a member of the family. For life. They are not disposable when life changes, if they have challenging behaviours and/ or they become inconvenient.

My mum has a dog with mental health problems/ a neurological difference - pretty sure that she (dog) may be autistic or something like that. She’s bitten my mum several times- sometimes down to the bone. She’s never bitten anyone else as my mum takes care of her to make sure that wouldn’t happen. She’s terrified of children and would absolutely bite one if they came near her, although she would never attack unless feeling threatened. I think all the time that I’m so so glad that dog ended up in the care of my mum- I’m pretty sure anyone else would have put her down by now. She’s very old now and has a disease that costs my mum a tonne of money in vets bills. But my mum loves the absolute bones of that dog and she considers her her responsibility and she will look after her until the end. To me this is the attitude a person needs to ask themselves if they have before getting a dog.

Obviously people make mistakes and end up in situations they didn’t anticipate and my heart truly goes out to the OP. Of course given the choice OP followed her maternal instincts and protected her newborn. But some of the comments on this thread are something else. Just don’t get at a dog!

SquashedSquid · 22/03/2025 08:45

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 06:51

I take it from the laugh reaction to my above post that SquashedSquid didn't see my post upthread about the baby in ITU that got bitten by a (healthy) JRT. Or do the mad dog people on this thread think things like that are funny now? Confused

More of a reach than S Club 7.

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 09:04

SquashedSquid · 22/03/2025 08:45

More of a reach than S Club 7.

So you think un unpredictable, bitey dog is ideal for a family with a newborn. Got it 👍

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 09:59

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 09:04

So you think un unpredictable, bitey dog is ideal for a family with a newborn. Got it 👍

Nope it isn't so that is the reason it wasn't wise to have a baby. And yet they did.

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 10:05

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 09:59

Nope it isn't so that is the reason it wasn't wise to have a baby. And yet they did.

My original comment was challenging the idea that this was a healthy dog, which objectively it was not, irrespective of views on whether they should have waited before having a baby.

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 11:29

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 09:59

Nope it isn't so that is the reason it wasn't wise to have a baby. And yet they did.

Babies are more important than dogs.

SquashedSquid · 22/03/2025 11:40

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 11:29

Babies are more important than dogs.

My dog is more important to me than anyone's baby.

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 11:43

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 11:29

Babies are more important than dogs.

So then they should've shown that with their behaviour and waited to have a baby. Simple.

The child wasn't born when they had to dog so they chose to put their desires over the baby's health and the dogs life.

Their wants trumped all.

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 12:34

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 22/03/2025 10:05

My original comment was challenging the idea that this was a healthy dog, which objectively it was not, irrespective of views on whether they should have waited before having a baby.

So they neglected the dogs health then for 14 years is what you are saying?

Dwappy · 22/03/2025 12:57

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 12:34

So they neglected the dogs health then for 14 years is what you are saying?

Some mental health conditions can never be made better no matter how much anyone tries. Same as physical conditions.

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:28

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 12:34

So they neglected the dogs health then for 14 years is what you are saying?

No, they sacrificed a lot to give a dog fourteen years of life. Most people would have ptw much earlier.

Ylvamoon · 22/03/2025 13:49

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 11:43

So then they should've shown that with their behaviour and waited to have a baby. Simple.

The child wasn't born when they had to dog so they chose to put their desires over the baby's health and the dogs life.

Their wants trumped all.

Edited

If only life was that simple...

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:50

Dwappy · 22/03/2025 12:57

Some mental health conditions can never be made better no matter how much anyone tries. Same as physical conditions.

The dog has trauma and is responding to that. Ignoring it doesn't help. They did nothing to help. It isn't a condition. It is a normal response to the what the dog has experienced.

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:51

Ylvamoon · 22/03/2025 13:49

If only life was that simple...

It is. They should've waited. They chose their desires over the baby and the dog.

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:51

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:50

The dog has trauma and is responding to that. Ignoring it doesn't help. They did nothing to help. It isn't a condition. It is a normal response to the what the dog has experienced.

Nope. You've invented that to suit your narrative.

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:52

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:51

It is. They should've waited. They chose their desires over the baby and the dog.

Edited

That doesn't even make sense.

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:52

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:28

No, they sacrificed a lot to give a dog fourteen years of life. Most people would have ptw much earlier.

They did nothing to help the dog. They then decided their desires were more important and the dog was an inconvenience to their desires.

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:53

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:52

They did nothing to help the dog. They then decided their desires were more important and the dog was an inconvenience to their desires.

They lives their entire lives around the bloody dog. Then they had a baby, and the dog had to be PTS.
So what?

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 13:54

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:52

That doesn't even make sense.

They had a desire for a child. They chose to meet that desire over their dogs life. Their wants came over a dogs life.