Benefit cuts proposal

[Charliechoosecarefully]

I just wanted it to have a specific thread:-

Kendall says government to consult on merging JSA and ESA benefits.

Kendall says WCA being scrapped, with Pip assessment process being used instead - will be scrapped in 2028.

Kendall says 'right to try' will let people on sickness benefits try work without immediately having benefits cut.

Kendall says UC payments being rebalanced, with standard rate going up, and some health top-ups frozen or cut.

Kendall says reassessments for people on universal credit with health top-ups to be beefed up

Kendall says universal credit claimants with most severe disabilities will not face reassessment

Kendall confirms Pip eligibility rules to be tightened, and assessment process to be reviewed - 4 pointed needed in one descriptor.

Kendall says under-22s could be prevented from claiming health top-up for universal credit

Sourced from the guardian.

I'm not seriously suggesting it. I don't even drink alcohol I'm that straightlaced

But there are studies in the states saying there is less teenage cannabis use in places it's legalised.

Regarding wealth taxes, that never works either and certainly not at a 2 per cent above per annum above 10 million of net assets. The rich does leave immediately. All they could do is back track on the non dom stuff but propose a flat fee per year that is easy for that lot to pay. Better some money than no money. It’s better to have these people stay and just have higher basic income rates for workers working for them. They have already raised that. The world is a mobile place. The socialists proposing taxes on the rich need to remember that they are very mobile. But they will pay up a reasonable predictable set amount.

The suggestion was that the mobility part of their benefit would NOT be safe and should be replaced by vouchers redeemable for transport to school. My response was that that would leave the person high and dry outside of school.

Apology accepted 🤝

I also agree with the proposals

Exactly!

My sons hydrotherapy is a different town because it is the closest pool with a hoist.

Yawn

taxjustice.uk/blog/wealth-taxes-will-cause-the-rich-to-flee-12-wealth-tax-myths-debunked/

That’s swinging this conversation around to another issue.
The pp said tax payers had no right to know what the money was spent on.

I think they do. I believe how much is needed needs to be re evaluated given the subject and reasoning behind this thread.
Theres another thread where OP notes a £52k gross income equivalent ( although another poster calculated it was actually £80k ) for herself not working and two kids…all disabled.

I believe it’s reasonable for costs to be justified to the tax payers

"and that’s even before I point out that school children don’t receive PIP."

Most children on school transport don't get high rate mobility DLA either.

My son isn't even in school right now. A voucher for transport to school would be as useful as a chocolate teapot.

It's all so individual. I could tell you what I use DLA for with my son but the next child on DLA will have different needs so different expenses.

And what happens if you need a taxi in an emergency and cant get one because even more of them are doing school runs
People seem to be completely incapable of thinking things through to their logical conclusion.

Central …….it’s me again 🥴
These guys are biased !

It’s their entire modus operandi to take taxes from the rich.

Lets find something from a non biased institution. It will carry more weight.

You do realise that your tax isn’t going to go down on account of this change, don’t you? And I haven’t advocated for a wealth tax, but for a complete revamp of the tax system to ensure everyone pays their share. For example, have a flat rate of income tax but apply it to all income, whether it be earned from employment, inheritance, interest/dividends, the sale of assets - anything earned above the personal tax allowance can be taxed at this rate. Tax corporations at the same rate - including foreign companies on any transactions completed here. I don’t earn at the moment and am far from wealthy (full-time carer for my daughter who has stage 4 cancer, hope she’s disabled/sock enough for you not to begrudge having a bit of tax revenue spent on her) - but this would have seen me pay a chunk of tax when my dad died and I inherited my share of the profits from the sale of his house, and I would have willingly paid it - ditto in the future, when my in-laws shuffle off their mortal coils. I’d happily pay tax at the rate of income tax on whatever we get from them. We haven’t earned that money - it’s a bonus. Another possibility is to increase the VAT on luxury items, or larger, less environmentally friendly cars - or any goods/activities that are particularly harmful to the environment. Or, as I said earlier, sort out our health service, education, legal system, so that far fewer people are unable to cope and can participate in and contribute in our society and its economy, thereby increasing productivity and tax revenue, but that would involve upfront investment - now that’s where a one-off wealth tax might come into its own, or, as I said earlier, we borrow, as it is an investment in our people which would pay dividends in the future. I suspect all the people bleating about reality, and the unaffordability of kindness don’t actually want to see that happen - they just resent ‘their’ money being spent on something that doesn’t directly benefit them, much as some child free people resent paying taxes towards the education of other people’s children, or some native-born British begrudge ‘foreigners’ being housed in slum conditions at ‘their’ expense after they’ve fled rape, torture or persecution, and are claiming asylum here, as is their absolute right under international law.

The dwp need to re evaluate a workable average then
Its obvious we can’t carry on with the ever increasing bill

Best wishes for your daughters treatment. My son had stage 3 cancer and he's in remission now, hope that is the case for your daughter very soon.

Massive hugs.

Here (rural UK) school transport runs for everyone who lives more than 3 miles from school. So that’s not really a disability focused problem. But OK let’s for a second accept that those pesky disabled children are hogging all the taxis do you honestly believe the taxis would even exist in such numbers if there wasn’t that demand? You may find that your ability to get a taxi outside of school run times is heavily dependent on their use for school transport. Who knows? Personally I wouldn’t be expecting disabled children to give up their school transport for able bodied adults and I’d be ashamed if I’d suggested that was a reasonable thing to happen.

Jesus that post was in support of ppl not having their motability vehcles taken away. I dont object to kids going to school in taxis.

It's why DLA has 3 different care rates and 2 different mobility rates.

If they get much more specific than that, I'm not sure how much money it would actually save. Especially if we're talking about rolling out a whole new system.

I work with two colleagues who have been offered more hours but prefer to stay on UC there isn’t the incentive to earn more

And last time i checked my 89 year old DM wasnt able bodied. I had to try to get a taxi to go from my home to hers, then her home to the GP surgery then to her home then back to mine as i dont drive. So she could attend doctors appointment. I had to tell the surgery to avoid the school run times as we would struggle to get a taxi. Plenty of posters on here begrudge the elderly getting home visits if they arent housebound
My DMs last few appiointments have been at home. Because this wasnt sustainable.

And you really think a millionaire couldn’t have accessed those things for his son privately if he’d put his mind to it ? I have no problem with wealthy people accessing disability benefits at all. They are designed to mitigate the cost of disability and I agree with Liz Kendall that they should be universal. The problem I have is people defending what Cameron did. He effectively claimed benefit for his son until he passed away and then pulled up the ladder behind him, making it infinitely more difficult for disabled people to access the payments he benefited from.

Clearly too much money is being spent in each rate ?
perhaps
and as well as
too many claiming ?

None. No recourse to public funds - it's in the name.

Spot on. Vouchers are only suggested by those who basically resent disability benefits being in payment at all, and that resentment prevents the realisation that we’re talking about real lives here. Disability is complex and disabled people are entitled to make their own decisions about how it should be best spent to support their own condition. They’re not imbeciles and are best placed to have insight into how their condition affects them and act accordingly. I wonder how this poster would react if she was told she could only have her child benefit or other benefits paid in vouchers and was restricted as to where she could to her weekly shop - and in addition have to present a voucher at the checkout, thereby letting everyone else know that she was a benefit claimant. I doubt it would sit well.