Benefit cuts proposal

[Charliechoosecarefully]

I just wanted it to have a specific thread:-

Kendall says government to consult on merging JSA and ESA benefits.

Kendall says WCA being scrapped, with Pip assessment process being used instead - will be scrapped in 2028.

Kendall says 'right to try' will let people on sickness benefits try work without immediately having benefits cut.

Kendall says UC payments being rebalanced, with standard rate going up, and some health top-ups frozen or cut.

Kendall says reassessments for people on universal credit with health top-ups to be beefed up

Kendall says universal credit claimants with most severe disabilities will not face reassessment

Kendall confirms Pip eligibility rules to be tightened, and assessment process to be reviewed - 4 pointed needed in one descriptor.

Kendall says under-22s could be prevented from claiming health top-up for universal credit

Sourced from the guardian.

But it does to food prep, washing and toileting - which mild physical impairments can affect a little bit across each area.

To me it's seems much 'easier' to be too depressed to get dressed at all and score high in one area.

I’d be surprised if these changes will raise £6 billion

Will these proposals really get people back into work? It’s suppose to prevent living on benefits being a lifestyle choice.
Apparently one I four young people don’t intend to work. Bit more stick and less carrot required here?

About time, too many people living off the state. Get a job unless you physically cannot.

Let’s be honest there is a percentage of people that are taking the piss and choose not to work. Let’s hope they are the ones that are caught out. Something needed to be done and this is a starting point. Whether it will be the right choice remains to be seen.

One million manoeuvred out of pip, cuts for new incapacity claimants, cuts to disabled youngsters. Yeah, it adds up.

Christ thats horrific. Cant even be legal surely.

The 37% of Gen Z are considering leaving their jobs is being wildly misreported as considering stopping work. Leaving your job for another job isn’t quitting all work. It’s also the young who are more likely to leave a job for another job because they tend to be more mobile and not have children dependent on them, a mortgage, tied to a neighbourhood for schools etc.

I'll get flamed for this but I really wish they'd cut back on benefits for illegal immigrants than for disabled people.

I cannot believe Labour are attacking the most vulnerable in our society (I also include the elderly in that) 😢 They wonder why mental health is at an all time low!

I agree
I did think they were going to reduce benefits for the severely disabled, just from trying to read between the lines
So it’s great that they are looking after those that can’t work and need a lot of support in their daily lives.

Illegal immigrants is another issue to tackle but does not stand hand in hand with disability benefits.
They are separate and both need sorting.

Why go for the elderly amd disabled first though?

Do you think the 4-points policy will apply to existing claimants or just when they come up for renewal?

I think perhaps it represents a bit of a conceptual shift. Previously here had been a school of thought that people shouldn't be detrimented by their disability at all. That the state had some responsibility to step in and help equalise things by paying money for additional hardship and difficulties incurred. Now it's more that the state will only step in if you are so impacted in one area to the extent that it causes a significant impact to your life that's extremely difficult/impossible to overcome.

I think this is a sensible step forward but will be a bit of a shock to many who have have come to rely on the current system.

Right so under 22s may still be able to claim something via PIP but not as much as before? Is that right?

@glacancalman under 22s will still be able to claim PIP under whatever changes they bring in.

UC is the income replacement benefit. There currently is a disability element to it which adds a premium and impacts the work rules you have to follow (either hours or expectation).

Basically if you're disabled and unable to work and under 22 you'll get a chunk less money than someone disabled and 23. A bit like the shared rate vs 1 bed rate age qualification for housing help.

The fraud rate on PIP is 0.1% doing that so tell me how cutting PIP by about 25% ( £6bn from £23bn) is only going to affect the 0.1% of piss takers?

Over a million of 3 million claiming PIP are going to lose it and many more will get less PIP.

It is morally indefensible.

Have those figures been published somewhere.
Im not questioning them I’d just like to read further on that if you have it.

on renewal I believe

Since when did illegal immigrants have resource to public funds? Or do you mean people here legally?

Lets face it Its to pay for those bloody lockdowns. I said at the time it wont be the rich who are made to pay

They’re not that likely to be on either ESA or PIP though which are difficult to qualify for whatever anyone says here.

The government really needed to tackle benefit dependent areas where it can be a way of life and families lose confidence and work skills. But that would be require providing jobs, tackling education which would cost money and not win votes.

The easiest thing to do is target genuinely sick and disabled as they’re not in a position to do anything about it, and there aren’t sufficient numbers to threaten votes.

What makes me so angry is the lack of acknowledgment how hard it is for sick and disabled people to find employment and stay employed. There’s no corrollary measure for jobs for the sick is there?

The fraud assessment wasn’t based on whether people were lying on the forms or to gps etc.
It was based on people with fake ids, claiming twice etc. hence the 0%

Its impossible to watch people all the time to know if someone’s faking it so also impossible to know the figures on that.

Yep.

I currently get 4 points in one of the descriptors for daily living with 2 points in every other and 12 points for enhanced mobility. I was only reassessed 3 months ago for UC and given the severe disability top up for LCWRA. Even I am now thinking does this mean I will now be reassessed? Again. I agree there needs to be reform but my greatest fear is the wrong people get caught in the crossfire

Some will exaggerate their symptoms and how they affect daily living in order to score the required points. They know well how to work the system, they’ll just find other ways to do it. Feel sorry for genuine sufferers though!