Benefit cuts proposal

[Charliechoosecarefully]

I just wanted it to have a specific thread:-

Kendall says government to consult on merging JSA and ESA benefits.

Kendall says WCA being scrapped, with Pip assessment process being used instead - will be scrapped in 2028.

Kendall says 'right to try' will let people on sickness benefits try work without immediately having benefits cut.

Kendall says UC payments being rebalanced, with standard rate going up, and some health top-ups frozen or cut.

Kendall says reassessments for people on universal credit with health top-ups to be beefed up

Kendall says universal credit claimants with most severe disabilities will not face reassessment

Kendall confirms Pip eligibility rules to be tightened, and assessment process to be reviewed - 4 pointed needed in one descriptor.

Kendall says under-22s could be prevented from claiming health top-up for universal credit

Sourced from the guardian.

I have not followed the full thread but has anyone explored the legal implications on age discrimination ground for 18-22 year olds?

22 and under this will affect children.on DLA as well.

The bottom line is, regardless of the moaning and whining, whataboutery and emotive posts, no one has come up with an alternative to raise the money we need (except tax the rich ie not me) or an explanation for the increase in claimants (other than a vague notion that Covid did it)
No one likes having money taken away from them. Some of the cases on here are heartbreaking, but they are probably not the ones who will lose out. The families claiming multiple DLAs for mental health and the posters who are evidently unable to do anything productive because of childhood trauma or the like have less of my sympathy.

It's quite funny though isn't it - when one of your own team shoots you in the foot 😁

Tax justice are partial in the sense that they care about justice. Instead of corporate vested interests. Pretty much everyone I see arguing against wealth taxes has a vested interest.

Obviously I read the article as I quoted and responded to it

Justice is subjective.

I'm not on anyone's team. I linked to an article that summarised roughly the arguments against wealth taxes. There are plenty more all over the internet from bodies like the OECD to professors from Harvard.

I don't really want to turn this thread into a debate about Wealth Tax other than to say that even those at that do believe that there is scope for a one off wealth tax do not think it's the solution to funding our rapidly rising welfare bill. It is therefore a red herring and irrelevant to the discussion about creating a sustainable and affordable system in the long term.

and I definitely don't want to pay for this:
How am I supposed to survive new benefit rules | Mumsnet

20 yo isn't even considering getting a job, so aware of themselves...

The rate for housing has an age band on it that was upped to 35 some years back and has gone unchallenged so there must be allowable circumstances to have age discrimination in benefits

Why are you terrified? You’re not out doing all the things you say you can’t so there’s no problem. It is funny when people fleecing the system are caught.

I think there's quite a few on this thread over-egging how 'terrified' they are by this. Unless you have no self-awareness, people must know if they are really bedbound, have terminal cancer or multiple debilitating conditions, they will sail through the new criteria.

"The same way every other kid does - using a car that parents buy. Benefits are there to cover extra costs, not all costs. Higher rate mobility PIP of around £400 a month, plus transport costs to and from school isn't the best use of state funds, especially when home-school transport costs are contributing to LAs impossible budget situation."

Many parents don't use the mobility component for a mobility car. We used it to fund specialist buggys, specialist harnesses and protective screens for our own car. Do children without disabilities require all this provision? Do their parents fund all of this?

Well when they stopped Pension Credit for mixed age couples plenty cheered that on even though quite often the younger partner usually the woman is the carer for her older partner.

Then it was tough shit.

Exactly. My son gives most (bar £30 per week) of his benefits from UC and PIP to social care to pay towards his care so I’m not worried about it at all. If he doesn’t have the money he can’t pay the bill from the council each month so they’ll the social care budget will tank too !

Everything comes out of taxes - if you’ve got children, through nursery, education and health costs etc come out of my taxes - but it doesn’t give me the right to make your personal circumstances my business.

I have unseriously suggested (on other threads) that bringing illegal cannabis farms into the legal economy could raise money. Less policing, more jobs, tax. There are some studies in certain states saying what it brings to the economy. Also there is a bit of evidence for medical cbd for some conditions.

I don't think so. I think it is targeting those who are under 22, on PIP and then can claim extra money from UC.

They aren't targeting DLA, not yet anyway.

Mm………
just checked why I noted that
you did quote the tax foundation further down that tag. At 12:51 today

think you’ll have to read my posts
re communism. I’m all for making work pay !

How will they afford a vehicle that takes a wheelchair for example? Or whatever adaptions are needed? And many of the journeys are NOT the same as the journeys you would be taking which an able child. They are hospital appointments, physio, therapy, specialist clubs etc and the journeys are longer because there just aren’t consultants and hoists into pools and physios in every town, in fact there aren’t even schools for our children nearby, some drive up to an hour each way to school.

and that’s even before I point out that school children don’t receive PIP.

Now we really aren’t that desperate and do not have an nhs capable of the fallout anyway

They are all taking it anyway. It's everywhere so that fallout must already happening.I can't stand the smell so I really notice how many people smoke it.

my way we get tax Like with alcohol and tobacco.

Um no that was @Bumpitybumper which they themselves acknowledge
And as can easily be verified by anyone looking at the thread.
The only sense in which I referred to that organisation was to argue against them

Look, you've tripped up. It's ok, everyone does occasionally. But it only looks worse if you double down.

But if you put your children in school it’s obvious they are in school so the taxes are being spent on that
If you use your gp and taxes are paying for that it’s because there is evidence of using the gp.
If your kids are in nursery, we can see that and our taxes are being spent for that purpose

Its simply not the same as disability benefits which are paid as a lump sum without ever any proof of the actual cost

But surely if your child requires all of this, their benefits will be safe? People are really over-egging this crackdown I feel.

Legalising cannabis is a really bad idea. It is particularly harmful for the mental health of teens and once it is legalised they will all be at it. Best way to write that generation off for good. Just look at how many took up vaping in a short space of time because the Government was asleep at the wheel.

I apologise
You are quite right….entirely my mistake there. It wasn’t for you

heres a gif ….. will it cheer us all up ?

You don't think that the majority of people who are either disabled themselves or have disabled children are capable of deciding what to spend the money on that helps with their or their child's disability?