Benefit cuts proposal

[Charliechoosecarefully]

I just wanted it to have a specific thread:-

Kendall says government to consult on merging JSA and ESA benefits.

Kendall says WCA being scrapped, with Pip assessment process being used instead - will be scrapped in 2028.

Kendall says 'right to try' will let people on sickness benefits try work without immediately having benefits cut.

Kendall says UC payments being rebalanced, with standard rate going up, and some health top-ups frozen or cut.

Kendall says reassessments for people on universal credit with health top-ups to be beefed up

Kendall says universal credit claimants with most severe disabilities will not face reassessment

Kendall confirms Pip eligibility rules to be tightened, and assessment process to be reviewed - 4 pointed needed in one descriptor.

Kendall says under-22s could be prevented from claiming health top-up for universal credit

Sourced from the guardian.

Lol, this is the definition of cherry picking - a single visiting professor whose views contradict almost all of the full time research staff, an article openly sponsored by business interests, and no attempt to engage with research I cited earlier. Keep trying.

@StrivingForSleep
The rules for _ are the same in every area in England.

Well that explains it then.

I do want to say thank you as your info will help most posters.

And how would they live if they aren’t well enough to work?

The announcement yesterday only applies to England and Wales and they also apply in Wales.

Benefit cap from Shelter Cymru.

“The benefit cap will not apply if:

• you or your partner are of pension age
• you or your partner are working and receive Working Tax Credit (or work enough hours to claim them)
• you or your partner receive certain disability benefits:
• Disability living allowance (DLA)
• Personal independence payment (PIP)
• Attendance allowance (AA)
• Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) – support component
• Universal credit (UC) – carer element or limited capability for work-related activity element
• Carer’s allowance or Guardian’s allowance”

The SMI criteria applies to Wales too. See the second link in my pp. It also includes a link to the application form you need if you are in Wales. That application form specifically mentions PIP.

The carer disregard applies to Wales too. The third link I provided has a fact sheet covering the different rules in England, Wales and Scotland. And here is Wales government site saying the same.

”You could get up to a 50% Council Tax discount if you are a carer, depending on who else lives in your property. To be eligible you must meet all of the following criteria:

• must provide care for at least 35 hours a week
• must live in the same property as the person you care for
• must not be the spouse or partner of the person you care for, or their parent if you care for a child under 18.
• the person you care for must be getting one of the following:
• the middle or higher rate of the care component of Disability Living Allowance;
• the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment at any rate;
• Attendance Allowance at any rate;
• Armed Forces Independence Payment; or
• the highest rate of Constant Attendance Allowance”

Where do you think they should stay whilst waiting for their claim to be heard?

It’s so annoying! I saw a girl being interviewed on TV saying she can’t work because she would have to get there on the bus. Managed to get to a salon to have her lips filled and her eyebrows and lashes done though!

People like her should be the first to lose any benefits. I suspect when she can’t pay for her lifestyle, she’ll find a way to get on that bus to work.

Exactly
Expected revenue by the Norwegian Govn from Wealth tax was $146 million / year

Actual lost revenue from the Wealth tax was $594 million / year

after the rich just left

That all went well then 😳

good cleaners can earn alot. Cleaning is always and will be in demand.

Which isn’t really the point
Whilst some posters are mistakenly calling the funding benefits
The point posters are trying to make is that there is a cost and that money comes from taxes.

The visiting professor is at the LSE
i thought you thought the LSE research was worthy of quoting

Also worth noting the Taxfoundation which you quoted aren’t that trustworthy at all. One wiki search says it all

It’s still money from our taxes, whatever it’s called!

The government has made it clear that they have no intention of introducing a voucher scheme. And, with all due respect (which means none), how a disabled person spends their PIP is none of your business.

But the benefit that is being removed for 18-22 year old is not for any “grey area” disabled people. It’s for those very disabled people who have very limited capacity to work. The less disabled would never have qualified for that additional benefit.

Yes exactly
Im not so much interested in labels, just what the country spends its money on because that’s our taxes.

Also for @shockeditellyou

Obviously how tax money is spent is of interest and is the business of all tax payers.
It affects how the country runs and is key to its success.

Well we could move onto a voucher scheme for child benefit and winter fuel and everything else but we have this stuff called money that does that for us.

Of course it is our business as it's public money we are talking about. We live in a democracy and public opinion will influence policy. If enough people believe that PIP is being spent on things that they don't approve of them it will lose public support and be cut.

I thought these changes were about supporting disabled ppl into work.
Some disabled people who work use PIP to help them pay the extra costs of being able to work.

Access to Work is also unsustainable , those costs are going up. It takes an average of 36 weeks before your application is assessed. No employer will hold your job for 36 weeks, they will dismiss you.

For travel you have to pay all the costs up front and then reclaim.

The disabled and vulnerable are paying for the Ukrainian War.

The same way every other kid does - using a car that parents buy. Benefits are there to cover extra costs, not all costs. Higher rate mobility PIP of around £400 a month, plus transport costs to and from school isn't the best use of state funds, especially when home-school transport costs are contributing to LAs impossible budget situation.

If it makes you feel better, you and other posters can gleefully attempt to shame us as heartless cruel individuals delighting in others' misfortunes. But not only is that not the case, it's not going to magic up more money from taxpayers, is it?

And the lockdowns

This is hilarious. I didn't quote the Tax Foundation - that was the person I was arguing against. They were arguing against a wealth tax and I was saying they were dodgy! Thanks for bolstering my position though - are you sure you're not a commie stooge? 😉

No, you linked to an articles from the well renowned and impartial Tax justice, laced not only with factual inaccuracies but spelling mistakes too. You then have the cheek to critique my sources.

You obviously haven't really read the LSE report either as it clearly states that an annual wealth tax wouldn't work and there is only scope potentially for a one off tax. This wouldn't be a long term sustainable solution even if it was implemented and worked (which is incredibly unlikely in itself).

Where is the money (that's set to rise )going to come from though? I know I definitely can't afford to pay more than I already do towards this ....

They’ll just say ‘tax the rich’. It’s a meaningless, thought terminating cliche.