To be gleeful that most of us were right

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/adding-vat-to-private-school-fees-has-had-no-obvious-impact-on-state-sector-applications-390546/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2ATdaVlNkJsbtC-KizuW4Fw41obnpvezxnFv4IAFwzJPHXmU90Awr5eqAaem9tMIsn9I0vHSC4jrdYONIA#0rd9makyd4264nstc4us9j77yk5kaoswtLondon Economic

And that private schools has had no impact on state school places. The rich have simply - paid more. Excellent news!

I know of some private schools that are delighted that the VAT rule has been introduced as the major works they were planning are now 1/6th cheaper than they'd originally budgeted for! Many very wealthy schools know their parents will/can just swallow it.

Many parents that send their children to private school either have their own companies or are employed by companies that will pay for the school fees as part of their remuneration package. Those companies then claim the VAT back. The parent is then taxed as a Benefit In Kind on the VAT inclusive cost, but 40% of the extra 20% is much more palatable for them.

I do know of someone though that has had to take a job away from home to boost his income to cover the school fees VAT. If the children had been younger they may have transferred them over to the state system, but as it is they're both in GCSE years.

Their daughter is doing GCSEs this year and has sourced a private sixth form that is a state educated grammar school but offers week boarding because even she's conscious of the impact it's having on her family.

As others have said, the true impact won't be seen yet. The new VAT rules only came in in January. Give it another academic year or two and then look at the numbers again.

Nothing whatsoever from the OP since they posted this hideous thread. 2 HOURS ago!

Go figure.

How can they tell untill September? most people hold school places (in both sectors) until mid summer?

I couldn’t care less. The type of parents who believe in private education will continue to pay for it however high the fees. They couldn’t be seen to be shitting out by not being able to afford it.

The Department for Education have spent £90m on advertising and media, presumably partly to cover the cost of the advertising of the free breakfast clubs. Strangely, they don’t seem to advertising their cuts in spending on STEM and Latin education.

Plus lots of people will wait until the next natural break point to move? (juniors, y7, y9, 6th form etc). Some will still be a year or ao away from that point?

Seems a bit early for this analysis. Plus some of the potential negatives are social/economic ones after move to state (richer parents paying for tutors, taking up the top sets etc). We can't possibly have seen the effects of that, if any, when the next school year since the announcement hasnt even started yet?

Wow, that's quite an achievement knowing all private school families in the country! Also strange because I know quite a few families that have moved mid year state or are moving at the end of this school year to state. Funny that you dont know them.

Good to know that you don't have children hoping for places in competitive state 6th forms this September. (Private school is more like 20% for 6th form than 7%).

Or a SEN child who has been failed in state and is now happy and doing okay in a private school but will have to move back to the system that failed them.

It’s too early to tell.

See that’s exactly the attempt at superiority that proves my original point. Thank you.

Not sure why you quoted me? I'm saying I'm NOT gleeful about it.
I just agree with the op that all the nonsense that was spoken about state schools being "overwhelmed" with new ex private pupils was bullshit.

Im Not a jealous person or a communist. No glee here.

They will easily be absorbed. Schools have far bigger issues when a town is almost doubled in size by new houses being built meaning thousands of new families in the town. As is the case in many towns rn.

So anyone who thinks the tiny percentage of private school kids who will have to move school will cause an issue is deluded.

I know of one profoundly autistic and non verbal child that has had to move to state primary. He can't cope, they can't cope.

Despite having DC at Private school I don't have too much of an issue with the VAT addition.
However the smug glee from people who either couldn't afford it or who had decent State alternatives over something that would (at least in the short term) impact some children was quite frankly fucking awful.

As a policy it’s meant to be about funding to state and each student who moves will cost the state £8k more.

As for your concern re towns getting bigger then you could do what other countries do and offer a tax rebate which gets people spending disposable income on education. And reducing state payments.

We’re doing the opposite and an outlier due to op and those who feel ‘glee’. Which is why Labour’s policies were voted in, funding headroom was wiped out and welfare cuts are about to happen,

If their policies are so anti growth they end up with cuts what’s the point?

Yep, the OP comes across as nasty and bitter....

I also notice the OP fails to acknowledge the extortionate sums the government is haemorrhaging in legal fees fighting endless court cases relating to this.

not odd if your kids school was overwhelmed by private school kids!

Tens of thousands of pounds every single day.

Way too soon to call. This article just reads like a niche publication telling its readers what they want to hear. The standfirst - "All the doomsday predictions of shortages of state school places have been proven wrong then." - is just snippy and smug.

And I'm broadly in favour of the addition of VAT to private school fees.

I’m gleeful that they are coming after benefit claimants and people who really don’t need PIP. I hope labour fucks everyone over as much as they have for my business and my children’s school fees.

I don’t think it’ll have a big impact ultimately. It’s more an impact for the parents paying the fees either way.

We would have happily stayed at private but the whole toxic debate pissed me off so we checked out our local state school and my DC has decided to go there.

So, no impact WRT place shortages, but you’ve saved me £36k and I’m much happier knowing that I’m getting a bit of the shit loads of tax our house pays back in my own pocket. I’ve saved 36k and cost the government £12-13k

What a horrible post.
My son is in year 8, has ASD, and moved to private school in year 7. He’s much happier, no longer suicidal. There are about 45 boys in his year. 8 have left this year. DH is a teacher at his school, he and many of his colleagues are under the threat of redundancy.

enjoy your gleeful feeling.

OP are you ok? Worried about your benefits being cut? It will be ok 💕