To be gleeful that most of us were right

[Wranglestar]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/adding-vat-to-private-school-fees-has-had-no-obvious-impact-on-state-sector-applications-390546/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2ATdaVlNkJsbtC-KizuW4Fw41obnpvezxnFv4IAFwzJPHXmU90Awr5eqAaem9tMIsn9I0vHSC4jrdYONIA#0rd9makyd4264nstc4us9j77yk5kaoswtLondon Economic

And that private schools has had no impact on state school places. The rich have simply - paid more. Excellent news!

Well it isn't really a different kettle of fish because a lot of these parents are now being hit by the VAT.

Got a kid at the Royal Ballet School? Government picking up 80% of the cost? Well you the parent now have to find your 20% plus 100% of the VAT on the whole fees.

Kids on bursaries are now in situations where parents can't afford the additional VAT costs.

But it's fine as they're all rich.

@Ddakji that's below the belt.

In response to most posters I’d agree. But not this one, who’s been viciously unpleasant. She has clearly stated she thinks it’s wrong for people to consider their own children first and foremost and do what is right for them educationally.

yes both people aren’t rich. People that make 500k don’t take 500k home they pay at least 200k in tax and will also pay quite a bit in pension. So they will actually take home closer to 250 than 500k. Do they have a better standard of living than someone that earns 25k yes they will of course no doubt about that. I have not said that money doesn’t help. Just that for me someone that has to continue working to fund their life is not rich. What would happen if they stopped working? People can become sick and or die. Could the family carry on with the same expenses? Most likely not. Could they last longer without work than someone that earns 25k - of course but not indefinitely. For me rich is someone who can live off investments, can chose what jobs they want or don’t want to take, not someone who has to get up and work everyday.

Everyone in here raging about private schools genuinely just sound supremely bitter. Rage at the government, who have invested so poorly in our education system that many parents feel they have no choice but pay privately - and yes, the vast majority likely recognise how privileged they are to do so. Anger at the parents and children is misguided. Get a grip.

The poster she is replying to has been horrid and repeatedly lied.

@Ddakji hasn’t behaved any better throughout this thread. Harangued me until I pointed out her argument had no merit then tumbleweed.

“Harangued” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

As for tumbleweed, I replied to you at 15.04 and you haven’t replied to me since, so I guess “tumbleweed” doesn’t mean what you think it means either.

15 teaching staff are being made redundant at the local independent school here. That's the second round of cuts the school has had to
make since the VAT, increase in NI and business tax was announced. This particular school is the largest employer in this constituency. No doubt with fewer students there will
also be cuts in ancillary staff too as well as local shops and eateries losing customers Feeling gleeful is an awful thing to say you feel when staff, students, families and local businesses will be feeling anything but.

Whatever your views wishing someones kids ill is really really unpleasant.

Doing material harm to other people's kids by advantaging your own at every turn is also unpleasant. So we're even.x

Nothing to be gleeful tbh and it is too early to tell the impact. My daughter is sitting GCSE’s next year and the coursework she is doing this year in private school is different from what is on offer in our local state schools which means that we are unable to move her until she finishes GCSEs next year. Without a doubt she will be going to state for 6th form. however another pattern I’m noticing is where the good 6th forms now also have catchment areas which potentially will mean we either have to move or rent for short term ☹️

@Hoppinggreen - honestly I think it’s best not to engage as I don’t think she is here for an exchange of ideas.

Not even close.

No dc in private, I have no skin in this game however it's far too soon to say, people will look at their happy settled child and wonder if it's best to struggle or pull them out. I imagine thousands are struggling and the real results will kick in next year

Pretty unhinged, I’d say. An extreme example of the kind. Thank god I don’t have anyone like that within a million miles of me and my lovely girl in real life. The spite, the hate, the vindictiveness towards a child is a sight to behold.

I’m actually slightly shaken that someone would spit such bile in the direction of my child like that.

You replied saying I didn’t know the difference between applications and acceptances. I didn’t reply to that directly as I assumed you’d then seen my response stating that this was irrelevant to the initial panic mongering argument that state schools would be flooded due to private exodus. If less people accept than apply then this is even less than the non issue it is.

I also don’t like this current trend on MN of trying to escape a debate one is losing by simply declaring posters don’t understand what a word means. My daughter is 10 and she doesn’t do this in debate club.

I'm not wading though this thread but advantage means so many different things.
A child with two parents who live together and love each other and love thier dc will have advantage over nearly all other variations of "privaledge" we have become such a martialistic obsessed society we have forgotten the very simple things

I’m not trying to escape anything @Wranglestar, simply defend myself from unfounded accusations.

We still don’t know how many people will take up state school
places who wouldn’t have previously. We also don’t know how much depopulation in London and the south-east is playing a part in applications at Year 7 (which is why I keep mentioning sixth form, as that is where pressure on places is).

But words matter. You’re the one being gleeful about some children (and indeed some teachers) having their education disrupted or jobs lost.

I was coming to say the same thing.

Glee is such a spiteful emotion in this context @Wranglestar , I'm sorry for you that you feel this way.

The UK education system needs a massive overhaul, but I cant wait for that for my children. So I educate them privately with price hikes every year (20% this year, has that got you rubbing your bitter little hands together @Wranglestar ?)

I'm from an alcoholic, single parent household and have made it against the odds to provide a better life for my children than I had, it is hard, I'm not rich, but I'm going to see it all the way through.

So fuck you @Wranglestar

Why gleeful? I’m confused.

I work in a state grammar and we have seen competition for places in both Y7 and sixth form go through the roof.
Just to be clear, I am not in favour of private or grammar education, but those are the options where I live.
All that will happen is that parents who can afford tutors will tutor their children intensively for the exam, forcing out those who cannot afford tutors and condemning their child to 5 years of misery if they scrape into a school that they are not really capable of flourishing in as they have got in via coaching rather than intelligence. Likewise those who are rich enough will rent out houses closer to the school just to get their child in. In the private sector, those with EHCP are exempt from VAT, so those who can afford private ed psych reports will avoid it and those stuck on year’s-long waiting lists will have to stump up or go back into state.
I would assume the govt has advisors who have experience of education but it seems not. I am no politician but this is all blindingly obvious to me.

Why are you gleeful 😂 that’s so weird. Do you just not like people who send their kids to private school or something? I’m confused 😂

Labour's own figures state that 4,000 pensioners will die from the measure they voted for. To early to say how many have died, but it's likely if Labour stated 4,000 they probably underestimated it. I agree not quite on the scale of the 500,000 deaths their dodgy dossier was designed to inflict but surprised you're defending their record.