To think leaving UK is the best Option now

[LeavinUK]

We are thinking of leaving UK now to move to Dubai or USA. We have two young children who are in nursery, not in School yet and one will start school next year.
The reasons are the state of UK. Looking at the state of NHS, the waits are so long if you ever have to go to A&E, you can access better healthcare of you have insurance in any other country. Another reason is the ever increasing tax, we both work full time and I have the potential to earn six figures but I am staying at a flexible job to earn under 6 figures and I am forced to not get a promotion or switching to High paying jobs by the fact that I won't be eligible for 30 funded hours of Childcare which I I think is very unfair on hard working people who want to progress in career while having young children. UK doesn't feels like a family friendly country overall.
We also don't feel safe now going out to city centre etc which have become a ghost town and so much of illegal immigrants loitering around and so much increase in crimes.
Our friends who moved to Dubai are able to afford full time house help, nanny and a driver while earning similar to ourselves. While, here we are struggling with young kids and paying huge taxes. I have family in USA who are earning big bucks and paying much less taxes and being able to save and invest better for retirement while we will be working till 68 potentially 70 which is totally insane.
AIBU to feel leaving UK is the best option now and have you made a move or considering moving?

Where are you from, originally?

LeavinUK · Today 12:00
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If anyone enters any country bypassing their immigration rules and laws, then they are called illegal immigrants

People entering the UK are asylum seekers until their application is processed.

I thought the same with ‘there’ rather than ‘their’. I’m assuming a post designed to get people slagging off the UK for some reason.

In the US, even with good insurance you pay thousands in excess.
So my friend had her eldest child there. She had a corporate HR job with high level medical insurance.
Even her daughter was born she had an emergency C-section and a couple of extra days in hospital til baby was well enough to go home.
The excess she paid was just over $20k and she had to go back to work when her daughter was 8 weeks old.
It really isn't as simple as getting free health cover if you have a decent job.

I mean it’s not racist to suggest you sound utterly moronic moaning about immigration while stating your solution is to become an immigrant, in a country of mostly immigrants.

You moan about people coming here but want to go to another country in order to capitalise on their low paid labour because you don’t want to pay too much for someone to look after your kids.

Sure you will. They’ll be fighting over you, given the general level of information and literacy you display on this thread.

These are asylum seekers. It's mot illegal to claim asylum. They are not allowed to work whilst their applications are processed (it can take up to three years). They literally have nothing they can do apart from "hang around". Would you prefer it if they were locked in their rooms, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? They don't make the rules. It was the conservative government that decided to stick all asylum seekers invites for years on end.

Op what is your employ which would provide
a 6 figure salary to an employee with such poor grammar, syntax, reasoning skills as you display.

California or Dubai, you choose, or stay in Wolverhampton dreaming of moving to either disparate oases as I don’t believe you are listening.

You are a walking cliche.
If they are being house they are asylum seekers. It is not illegal to claim asylum.
For someone who claims to be such a high achiever you don't seem to have much intelligence in discerning between 'news' and 'right wing propaganda'.
I think you should go. You will be with like minded people.

So, when are you off, OP?

The sooner we're rid of people with attitudes like yours, the better in my view. So I'm cheering you on and wishing you all the best for your new life in your overseas utopia.

This! And the thought of entrusting my kids to someone in a country I'm unfamiliar with, who is doing the job for slave wages is terrifying.
I really can't comprehend some people's priorities.

You can completely disagree with OP without resorting to personal insults about spelling and grammar. Despite virtue signalling your more liberal politics you are showing yourselves up to be just bullies at best and ablist/elitist bullies at worse. Many people with dyslexia can go on to earn high incomes. Many people from poorer educational backgrounds can also go on to have high paying jobs. Don't come at people for holding discriminatory views whilst holding them yourself.

Oh and some people just have fat fingers and/or brain farts. That's ok too. Focus on the content of what someone says not the way they say it. You'd still have been right.

But surely it would be up to you how much you pay them. It's not compulsory to pay poorly.

If they are genuinely high achievers they can usually have higher levels understanding about complex and nuanced social issues such as immigration.
And the ability to read the room...

It'll be a woman from the Philippines who has had to leave her own children to escape poverty and clean up after rich expats.

No, but the OP has said the want the cheaper option.

Odd post considering the content of her posts is the majority of the discussion.

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Exactly

If you haven't slagged off OP for her misuse of the word "there/their" or "illusion/delusion" then my post isn't for you. If you have then it's not an odd post. Making personal digs at someone's use of language when they can be perfectly understood undermines your views because your own values come in to question.

We left the UK for France after Brexit - taxes are higher here but healthcare and public services excellent.
Dubai and the US would be at very the bottom of my list of places to live and raise a family.

This is interesting. How have you been welcomed?

Sounds like you've made your mind up tbh OP. When are you off?

I’m assuming (hoping) you’re sarcastic there.

But yes the old ‘Im not an immigrant, I’m an expat’ vibe…

Fwiw I think expat ps are worse. They arrive and refuse to blend in the country Theyre living in. They think they know best. Stay in little groups of people of the same origin/country than them.
Think Brits in Spain who replicate the whole let’s play quoits or cricket with team etc…

Immigrants normally want to integrate themselves

Its difficult to properly price up changes in country

Its a bit like looking at a London wage, and house prices in the midlands in a dodgy area, and calculating off peak travel costs. For example i could completely miss a good 20% of costs forgetting that lots of usa advertised things don't include tax, and tipping for example.

Dubai is a great example of this. There's lots of "hidden costs" . It's in the top 20 most expensive cities because the food costs, and bills are high. Because of the heat (and style of living) the cost of activities for kids for example is high, no one is really taking their kids for a walk along the beach etc its a lot of paid indoor activities, and you end up adopting a different (more expensive) lifestyle. You'll also find its a ghost town in the summer so most people come back to the UK, flights rocket in price and lots of people keep a property in their original country

California for example is notoriously expensive property wise, and you'd presumably need to live commutable distance (remembering the lack of train infrastructure ). The standard lack of AL means it will be tricky to come home at any point. A lower wage in the uk would also include maternity provision, sick pay, Annual leave pay and employment protections eg notice periods (and depending if its fire at will), and the culture of unpaid overtime is significantly less. You may find that evens out the wage significantly before even beginning to look at health insurance costs

Its even costing up reliable child care, and how expensive it is to live without reach of family and friends. It's silly stuff like the cost of not having people to help you with tasks and being reliant on paid help.