To agree with Wes Streeting's statement that MH issues are overdiagnosed?

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Pretty controversial stuff.

Who decides?

With respect, I'm a very experienced advanced mental health nurse with decades of practice. I am well capable of identifying genuine ND...and equally adept at recognising when someone definitely is not ND or otherwise mentally unwell. These are the people I was referring to.

But then are they using their PIP to pay for private counselling?

It would be interesting to know how many of those children from 30 years ago are not in work though. I do think getting diagnosis is important but it does seem since that has been more commonplace, we are suddenly in a situation where a whole generation of young adults are now seemingly unable to cope with life and be a productive member of society. Are we pandering too much to their ‘mental health’ which in turn is having the opposite effect of allowing them to learn any coping strategies that children of the past had no choice but to do.

As I replied to another poster, I am a very experienced advanced MH nurse with decades of experience (and, infact, I am qualified to assess and diagnose ND conditions). I can and do recognise ND and other MH conditions, but I was referring to people who have no symptomology or history of these conditions, and have absolutely no limitations on everyday life, but demand a diagnosis regardless.

Thanks for your charming judgement of be BTW.

Lots of ND people mask, don’t present with symptomology and also don’t share their entire history. If you are indeed a diagnostician you should be well aware that a quick appointment with a MH nurse does not a diagnosis make or even a knowledgable summary.

Absolutely.

I very mich imagine the children of the past WERENT coping. It just all went on behind closed doors.

These poster was rude to me earlier too. Her anger is making her aggressive and her comments are distasteful.

Tell CAMHS that!!!

Not every counsellor is reputable. I believe counselling is not a regulated profession, so anyone can set themselves up as a counsellor, even without qualifications.

Oh really but the sheer unpleasantness and downright ableism shown towards disabled and struggling people is ok.

You are way OTT and need to reign it in with your anger. You are making huge generalisations and I won't be giving you the time of day. Really quite unpleasant.

But that wasn’t the point of my post. The point was to say it would be interesting to know how many of those children from 30 years ago despite not having a diagnosis went on to being a productive member of society, in comparison to young people today who seem to use their diagnosis as a reason not to work.

Many of us will have disabled family and friends that is why we are so frustrated at the soaring pip claims!

You know the stress this is causing many people wirh significant physical and mental illnesses don't you yet you're marching around shouting bullshit and nonsense to those of us who are pointing it out.

Oh so now blaming disabled people receiving PIP for the stress being piled on to them by the likes of you,the media and the government- gas lighting in its most extreme form!

Don’t then, I don’t have to do anything and I will stand up for the ND community and those struggling with MH. As for huge generalisations!!!!!🤣

No, I'm blaming those who have mild illnesses who claim pip. That is why it is being rehashed because claims have gone up by a third due to overdisgnosis, all well documented.

Those with genuine disabilities are suffering because half the population seems to have adhd and or anxiety.

ADHD is underdiagnosed.

No it isn’t well documented at all.

Claims have gone up because there are more cases. CAMHS ground to a halt during COVID. MH difficulties rocketed during that time alone. EDs doubled. Those kids got nothing and were left to get worse. They are now in the adult system. There are many reasons why claims have risen but it suits the benefit haters to blame fraud on a benefit that is known to have next to no fraud.

So you're putting people against each other for not being disabled ENOUGH? When you’re basing it all on what you see on the surface?

I don't know what the correct amount of diagnosis is and I don't imagine Wes Streeting does either.

ADHD and autism are under diagnosed. It’s nigh on impossible to get a diagnosis. Women and girls particularly are left too long. Anxiety is often a symptom of something else and the something else can be very disabling.

It was completely clear and obvious what you meant. Shame people cant really have a discussion about the nuances of all of this without attacking other posters, those of us who work with this client group and multi agency partnerships have a wide range of knowledge, experience and practice with different needs, seen over decades how the landscape changes in line with social trends and behaviours.

A lot of women have been labelled with things like EUPD, when it turns out it was undiagnosed ASD. And that is after years under CMHT, where it was just not picked up.

This! I have a friend who spent months in a psychiatric hospital after a completely wrong diagnosis( BPD)with completely wrong and invasive treatment - it was Autism. It is well documented that this is common.