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House buyer has moved stuff in before completion.

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AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:27

Hi everyone, apologies as this is long.

I have what I think is an unusual situation and I just wanted some opinions on my next move.
I split with my husband in 2023 and we have now divorced. We obtained a financial order by consent in November 2024 which stated I could occupy our marital home with our 3 children until it was sold with most of the proceeds going to me (we had other properties and capital that went to him). I am not on the mortgage and he is the legal owner so when we separated I obtained a right to occupy notice over the property. I agreed to remove this and it was removed on January 10th. He is very awkward and quite abusive and manipulative and our relationship is strained at best but I try to stay civil for the children.

He accepted an offer on the property within a week (November 7th) and he told me he will keep me updated the whole way through. On the 10th January he told me that the house was going to complete on 15th January. I was dumbfounded that he had not kept me up to date and told him there’s no way I could find a rented property (which I’d decided to go into until I’d saved a bit more to buy a home outright for myself and the kids) and move within 5 days. He was extremely abusive telling me I would lose us the sale. I had no access to his conveying solicitor who would not speak to me as I am not the legal owner. I then found a property and moved out within 14 days. I asked him when completion would then happen and he had no clue. This dragged on for weeks.

I then got a call from him on 7th March telling me I need to hand the keys to the buyer as she needed to move her stuff in (I still had the keys and still had belongings in there). I asked had he exchanged he said she refuses to exchange until she has the keys. I told him that that’s too risky for us both and could cause many issues. I then got a barrage of abuse and was told “she’ll call you to explain just give her whatever she wants”. She then calls me and tells me she’s a financial remedy judge (about 5 times) and how she’d never have touched the property had she known there was a matrimonial charge on it or known it was a “divorce property” (she was told this upon viewing). How her child had now lost his place at his preferred high school and that a condition of her offer was a completion date of 15th January due to her child’s school place. I asked why it hadn’t exchanged and she said she’ll do it today whilst I hand her the keys. I explained I still have stuff in there and that I’d need time to move it, she said I’ll stick it all in the garage for you. I felt bullied by both my ex and her and agreed as she repeatedly told me she’s a judge and can be trusted, that she’ll take on insurance liability, that she can’t get time off to move so needs the keys to move in the evenings, that she wants her electrician to come and put up light fittings, that she’s happy to pull out if I don’t acquiesce so I ended up hurriedly going up there grabbing what I could and handing her the keys over. I did ask when completion would happen and she said it’s out of her hands as a company is buying her home and they’re dragging their feet.

it’s now over a week later. I have asked my ex to keep my updated (we only speak on msg never face to face as it’s too volatile). He has ignored me. I still had her number from her calling me so I sent her a nice msg basically saying can she keep me in the loop as now she has the keys I have no idea when completion will be and my ex won’t tell me. She seemed very annoyed that I had msged her directly and told me she’s not the mediator between me and my ex. That this was all our fault for not completing on January 15th and that it will basically takes as long as it takes, she then asked me not to msg her again as she will only communicate with the legal owner and not to contact her again. She also threatened to remove her things and just pull out as it’s all stop stressful for her. I have also asked can his solicitor send proceeds from the property straight to me and he said his solicitor said as I’m not his client then no it will have to go to my ex then to me. This is a huge amount of money that I don’t trust him with. I have no money to obtain legal advice and I now don’t know the best course of action. I feel a bit like a fool for not demanding a completion date before handing over the keys but she’s certainly flexed her authority and knowledge as a judge over me.

Am I being unreasonable in asking the buyer to commit to a completion date and should I have give her the keys in the first place?

OP posts:
Smartiepants79 · 15/03/2025 18:30

No, you shouldn’t have given the keys over to someone who does not yet own the house. She is essentially squatting. This is all very weird, not sure what your ex is up to.

Gundogday · 15/03/2025 18:31

Don’t give her the keys until it is legally hers. Otherwise you could have a squatter on your hands.

0ohLarLar · 15/03/2025 18:33

This is mad. You never give the keys before completion.

Denimshirt · 15/03/2025 18:34

Ridiculous. Does your ex know her personally or something?

FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:36

I'm not sure if you are in the UK but typically the estate agent hands the keys to the buyer when the transfer of funds for the sale have been confirmed.

I think your ex is conning you in some way and you need to go back to the Solicitor who sorted out the financial order for you.

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 15/03/2025 18:38

Do you have the details of the estate agent? My first pour of call would be with them, they can’t do masses legally but they will be in contact with both sets of solicitors.

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:40

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 15/03/2025 18:38

Do you have the details of the estate agent? My first pour of call would be with them, they can’t do masses legally but they will be in contact with both sets of solicitors.

Ah yes thankyou I didn’t think of that!

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AffableApple · 15/03/2025 18:41

FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:36

I'm not sure if you are in the UK but typically the estate agent hands the keys to the buyer when the transfer of funds for the sale have been confirmed.

I think your ex is conning you in some way and you need to go back to the Solicitor who sorted out the financial order for you.

Edited

This. Your solicitor needs to have these conversations where you can't, and asap.

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 15/03/2025 18:43

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:40

Ah yes thankyou I didn’t think of that!

We are moving house at the moment and honestly they have been more use that our solicitors.

GRex · 15/03/2025 18:43

You really should have agreed a financial settlement through solicitors and just moved straight to a rental, I don't understand what you thought you could gain by leaving the house, but leaving your stuff in the house. Staying makes sense to ensure you get the settlement, leaving makes sense if you think you're moving, leaving your stuff makes no sense at all. This is most likely a stitch-up by your ex, so you need to get a van over there to collect your personal items and organise a solicitor to finalise your divorce settlement. You may find the ex has rented the property to someone else by now.

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:44

To answer questions I am in the UK. He definitely doesn’t know her. I don’t think he’s up to anything sneaky but I do think he doesn’t care about the risks he’s putting us at and he doesn’t mind making my life as hard as possible. I am shocked at her attitude given that she’s a judge, she seems to say whatever she can to get what she wants and is firmly putting the blame on “us” (actually him I had nothing to do with it) that the house didn’t complete on 15th January, ignoring the fact we could have completed on 29th January and she’s still saying even now that there are pre exchange searches to be done.

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Denimshirt · 15/03/2025 18:44

Make sure you’re insured too and that it’s valid under these strange circumstances.

Denimshirt · 15/03/2025 18:45

Do you still have a set of keys?

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:47

GRex · 15/03/2025 18:43

You really should have agreed a financial settlement through solicitors and just moved straight to a rental, I don't understand what you thought you could gain by leaving the house, but leaving your stuff in the house. Staying makes sense to ensure you get the settlement, leaving makes sense if you think you're moving, leaving your stuff makes no sense at all. This is most likely a stitch-up by your ex, so you need to get a van over there to collect your personal items and organise a solicitor to finalise your divorce settlement. You may find the ex has rented the property to someone else by now.

It was purely for ease. It just gave me time to move things over as and when I could. I am disabled and the rental property came up and I panicked. I was also told that it would complete imminently, I only found out it was going to take another couple of months after I had vacated. I was between a rock and a hard place being told if I don’t leave and complete quickly then we’ll lose the sale.

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AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:48

Denimshirt · 15/03/2025 18:45

Do you still have a set of keys?

Yes x

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Mrsbloggz · 15/03/2025 18:48

It all sounds most irregular😬

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:50

Denimshirt · 15/03/2025 18:44

Make sure you’re insured too and that it’s valid under these strange circumstances.

This is exactly what I’ve said, what box did she tick to insure it? She isn’t a tenant but she kept on saying “I have permission from the legal owner to have access”. I said having access and occupying are 2 different scenarios, can you confirm you aren’t living there, she said “I don’t have to confirm anything and I’m happy to remove my stuff and pull out”.

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FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:51

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:44

To answer questions I am in the UK. He definitely doesn’t know her. I don’t think he’s up to anything sneaky but I do think he doesn’t care about the risks he’s putting us at and he doesn’t mind making my life as hard as possible. I am shocked at her attitude given that she’s a judge, she seems to say whatever she can to get what she wants and is firmly putting the blame on “us” (actually him I had nothing to do with it) that the house didn’t complete on 15th January, ignoring the fact we could have completed on 29th January and she’s still saying even now that there are pre exchange searches to be done.

They have not even exchanged?

If your ex is not conning you then he is unbelievably stupid. Has he really given house keys to someone who has not even signed a contract agreeing to buy the house?

Needspaceforlego · 15/03/2025 18:51

FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:36

I'm not sure if you are in the UK but typically the estate agent hands the keys to the buyer when the transfer of funds for the sale have been confirmed.

I think your ex is conning you in some way and you need to go back to the Solicitor who sorted out the financial order for you.

Edited

This - he's up to something.
You need to get your lawyer involved

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:54

FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:51

They have not even exchanged?

If your ex is not conning you then he is unbelievably stupid. Has he really given house keys to someone who has not even signed a contract agreeing to buy the house?

I believe exchange has taken place as she told me when I gave her the keys that she had told the solicitor to send over the contracts then all he had to do was sign. I am honestly kicking myself for allowing this to happen knowing how he is (which is manipulative AND unbelievably stupid).

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TheGirlattheBack · 15/03/2025 18:54

Given that the proceeds of the sale are mostly yours as part of the settlement agreement you need to protect the value of the house. She should therefore not have access until completion and should definitely not be starting any work - what if they cause damage and then pull out of the purchase?

Have you still got keys? I would change the locks asap and then not hand over the new keys until completion - advise the agent of the changed locks.

Also contact your solicitor so they can be in contact with the conveyancing solicitor acting for your husband, the seller, to ensure he pays you the appropriate funds.

ButtonMoonLoon · 15/03/2025 18:56

You need urgent legal advice.

I would certainly not have trusted anything he said and am baffled you handed the keys over.
I wouldn't be surprised if she's not even buying it and that he's actually rented it out to her.

FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:57

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:54

I believe exchange has taken place as she told me when I gave her the keys that she had told the solicitor to send over the contracts then all he had to do was sign. I am honestly kicking myself for allowing this to happen knowing how he is (which is manipulative AND unbelievably stupid).

Sorry, in a previous post you said:

....she’s still saying even now that there are pre exchange searches to be done.

I don't think a Solicitor would organise exchange of contracts before searches were complete.

Did you take legal advice before removing the right to occupy?

PsychoHotSauce · 15/03/2025 19:01

Is she actually a judge? Do you know her name/have you checked?

FOJN · 15/03/2025 19:02

ButtonMoonLoon · 15/03/2025 18:56

You need urgent legal advice.

I would certainly not have trusted anything he said and am baffled you handed the keys over.
I wouldn't be surprised if she's not even buying it and that he's actually rented it out to her.

I have a horrible feeling you might be right and now with no right to occupy and ex with no proceeds of sale to give to OP I think she may be screwed.

Please speak to a Solicitor ASAP.