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House buyer has moved stuff in before completion.

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AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 18:27

Hi everyone, apologies as this is long.

I have what I think is an unusual situation and I just wanted some opinions on my next move.
I split with my husband in 2023 and we have now divorced. We obtained a financial order by consent in November 2024 which stated I could occupy our marital home with our 3 children until it was sold with most of the proceeds going to me (we had other properties and capital that went to him). I am not on the mortgage and he is the legal owner so when we separated I obtained a right to occupy notice over the property. I agreed to remove this and it was removed on January 10th. He is very awkward and quite abusive and manipulative and our relationship is strained at best but I try to stay civil for the children.

He accepted an offer on the property within a week (November 7th) and he told me he will keep me updated the whole way through. On the 10th January he told me that the house was going to complete on 15th January. I was dumbfounded that he had not kept me up to date and told him there’s no way I could find a rented property (which I’d decided to go into until I’d saved a bit more to buy a home outright for myself and the kids) and move within 5 days. He was extremely abusive telling me I would lose us the sale. I had no access to his conveying solicitor who would not speak to me as I am not the legal owner. I then found a property and moved out within 14 days. I asked him when completion would then happen and he had no clue. This dragged on for weeks.

I then got a call from him on 7th March telling me I need to hand the keys to the buyer as she needed to move her stuff in (I still had the keys and still had belongings in there). I asked had he exchanged he said she refuses to exchange until she has the keys. I told him that that’s too risky for us both and could cause many issues. I then got a barrage of abuse and was told “she’ll call you to explain just give her whatever she wants”. She then calls me and tells me she’s a financial remedy judge (about 5 times) and how she’d never have touched the property had she known there was a matrimonial charge on it or known it was a “divorce property” (she was told this upon viewing). How her child had now lost his place at his preferred high school and that a condition of her offer was a completion date of 15th January due to her child’s school place. I asked why it hadn’t exchanged and she said she’ll do it today whilst I hand her the keys. I explained I still have stuff in there and that I’d need time to move it, she said I’ll stick it all in the garage for you. I felt bullied by both my ex and her and agreed as she repeatedly told me she’s a judge and can be trusted, that she’ll take on insurance liability, that she can’t get time off to move so needs the keys to move in the evenings, that she wants her electrician to come and put up light fittings, that she’s happy to pull out if I don’t acquiesce so I ended up hurriedly going up there grabbing what I could and handing her the keys over. I did ask when completion would happen and she said it’s out of her hands as a company is buying her home and they’re dragging their feet.

it’s now over a week later. I have asked my ex to keep my updated (we only speak on msg never face to face as it’s too volatile). He has ignored me. I still had her number from her calling me so I sent her a nice msg basically saying can she keep me in the loop as now she has the keys I have no idea when completion will be and my ex won’t tell me. She seemed very annoyed that I had msged her directly and told me she’s not the mediator between me and my ex. That this was all our fault for not completing on January 15th and that it will basically takes as long as it takes, she then asked me not to msg her again as she will only communicate with the legal owner and not to contact her again. She also threatened to remove her things and just pull out as it’s all stop stressful for her. I have also asked can his solicitor send proceeds from the property straight to me and he said his solicitor said as I’m not his client then no it will have to go to my ex then to me. This is a huge amount of money that I don’t trust him with. I have no money to obtain legal advice and I now don’t know the best course of action. I feel a bit like a fool for not demanding a completion date before handing over the keys but she’s certainly flexed her authority and knowledge as a judge over me.

Am I being unreasonable in asking the buyer to commit to a completion date and should I have give her the keys in the first place?

OP posts:
AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 19:02

FOJN · 15/03/2025 18:57

Sorry, in a previous post you said:

....she’s still saying even now that there are pre exchange searches to be done.

I don't think a Solicitor would organise exchange of contracts before searches were complete.

Did you take legal advice before removing the right to occupy?

Edited

That’s interesting, I have msged asking directly has exchange happened but he’s not yet responded to me. Tbh I’m worried about the answer as if he says no then I start telling him all the reasons that she shouldn’t have access right now I’ll get more abuse. I only handed those keys over on the understanding it had exchanged then today in a msg she tells me there are still pre exchange searches outstanding. What a mess!

OP posts:
ButtonMoonLoon · 15/03/2025 19:04

Have you looked at the online for sale listing? Is it showing as still fir sale or under offer?

Heelworkhero · 15/03/2025 19:06

Do you know she’s a judge or did she just tell you she’s a judge?

abs901 · 15/03/2025 19:07

Sorry this makes no sense to me at all . The bottom line is she should not have keys to this property until completion . I’ve never ever herd of a buyer getting the keys to a property before completion . Once the seller's solicitor has received the funds they'll confirm completion with the buyer and then the keys will be given over never before ! If you have a spare pair of keys change the locks and stop this now to protect urself . Good luck xx

GRex · 15/03/2025 19:10

This is very messy, but fundamentally it is not your house so you really need to extricate yourself from whatever's going on. Get your solicitor to find a new way to chase up the funds you're owed from the divorce. Then get a man and van to collect everything tomorrow with you.

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 19:11

ButtonMoonLoon · 15/03/2025 19:04

Have you looked at the online for sale listing? Is it showing as still fir sale or under offer?

Yes it’s saying SSTC. It definitely didn’t go up for rent anywhere and I do believe she’s buying it as she sounds far too invested and stressed over it all but is absolutely adamant she’s doing nothing wrong and that “we” are the awkward ones. i told her if no completion date was sorted this week I would seek legal advice and she was affronted and threatened to just pull out (this makes me think she hasn’t exchanged).

OP posts:
RoastDinnerSmellsNice · 15/03/2025 19:15

Did she show you any proof that she was a judge, or even of who she was OP?

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 15/03/2025 19:15

Heelworkhero · 15/03/2025 19:06

Do you know she’s a judge or did she just tell you she’s a judge?

An actual judge wouldn’t move into this mess!

PsychoHotSauce · 15/03/2025 19:18

It's actually a crime to impersonate a judge, so if you can establish that she isn't, then that gives you leverage.

If she IS actually a judge, you can then report her to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office (JCIO) for misconduct. She abused her position to force you to hand over the keys.

Strictlymad · 15/03/2025 19:19

Thai is very very odd! The more she says she’s a judge the more I question this bonkers behaviour! She shouldn’t have access to a home she doesn’t own, what wood she do if you were living there until completion- we all manage to move in a day! And she tampering by getting an electrician in! And you say there’s still searches. I’d ve so temped to get the locks changed - she had no right to be moving in. Definitely speak to the solicitor or estate agent!

Strictlymad · 15/03/2025 19:21

abs901 · 15/03/2025 19:07

Sorry this makes no sense to me at all . The bottom line is she should not have keys to this property until completion . I’ve never ever herd of a buyer getting the keys to a property before completion . Once the seller's solicitor has received the funds they'll confirm completion with the buyer and then the keys will be given over never before ! If you have a spare pair of keys change the locks and stop this now to protect urself . Good luck xx

This! We sat outside our new house in the pouring rain waiting for the sols to call that money was cleared before the agent would release the keys!

RealEagle · 15/03/2025 19:26

This is not right at all ,keys are never given until completion,change those locks

FOJN · 15/03/2025 19:41

I think you should stop communicating with your ex and the buyer. Nothing you are being told makes sense.

You need to write a timeline of events to get everything clear in your head before you speak to a Solicitor. And please, for goodness sake, speak to a Solicitor urgently.

SalfordQuays · 15/03/2025 19:46

I’d move back in and change the locks. So what of the sale falls through. It’s not your problem.

treesocks23 · 15/03/2025 20:05

Wow so much here

Ok so

  • if she is still waiting on searches then SHE could not have completed on 15th Jan. She wasn’t ready to.
  • I think you said something somewhere about her not knowing a completion date due to a company buying her property? Sorry if that’s wrong. But if that’s the case than, as before, it’s her that’s not ready. And secondly there’s no guarantee of when it would happen
  • It can’t have exchanged based on the above and also her saying ‘she just has to sign the contract’ is odd. You normally have the contract signed quite early in the process and then it’s only dated by the solicitor at the point of exchange and when a completion date has been agreed, which obviously hasn’t happened yet. But she should have signed the papers!

Genuinely all so odd but smells very fishy. It’s all kinds of wrong legally and for insurance and more!

Hortus · 15/03/2025 20:11

It all sounds very peculiar. I'm surprised if she actually is a judge that she is not acting correctly ie keys are not handed over until completion has taken place.
You can check her name against the list of judges available online, if her name isn't on there she isn't a judge.

butterfly0404 · 15/03/2025 20:20

I'd change the locks as a matter of urgency. If she has exchanged contracts, which I doubt very much, this means she would forfeit her deposit if she pulled out.

It's highly irregular and you need urgent legal advice x

AthenaPallas · 15/03/2025 20:22

You absolutely have to get legal advice asap, this situation is really strange. I would also advise that you speak to your insurance company about the house insurance and make sure it's still valid. And - get into the house and change the locks. Don't hand over any keys until completion and money transfer. Your ex sounds like a right bastard, but also an idiot. Tell him that he has to give permission to his conveyancer to keep you informed of what's happenng. If he doesn't, tell him you're moving back in.
Lists of judges here: www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/who-are-the-judiciary/list-of-members-of-the-judiciary/

kiwiane · 15/03/2025 20:26

Change the locks and inform your solicitor.
You have allowed a squatter - no one should have access until completion - if they haven’t got a date then they’re not committed to the sale as they’ve not exchanged. This is really serious and could cost you and your husband - he’s a fool.

Cherrysoup · 15/03/2025 20:28

TheGirlattheBack · 15/03/2025 18:54

Given that the proceeds of the sale are mostly yours as part of the settlement agreement you need to protect the value of the house. She should therefore not have access until completion and should definitely not be starting any work - what if they cause damage and then pull out of the purchase?

Have you still got keys? I would change the locks asap and then not hand over the new keys until completion - advise the agent of the changed locks.

Also contact your solicitor so they can be in contact with the conveyancing solicitor acting for your husband, the seller, to ensure he pays you the appropriate funds.

Absolutely this and get idiotic ex’s solicitor to look at the financial agreement so the money goes straight to you which is the legal route. Get the locks changed! She has no right of access until completion regardless of what she and idiotic ex say.

Cherrysoup · 15/03/2025 20:30

AlinaRawlings · 15/03/2025 19:02

That’s interesting, I have msged asking directly has exchange happened but he’s not yet responded to me. Tbh I’m worried about the answer as if he says no then I start telling him all the reasons that she shouldn’t have access right now I’ll get more abuse. I only handed those keys over on the understanding it had exchanged then today in a msg she tells me there are still pre exchange searches outstanding. What a mess!

No searches=no way they’ve exchanged. They can exchange/complete on the same day but you need move back in or withdraw her access via new locks-cost me £10 to change the barrels front and back.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 15/03/2025 20:30

Honestly, why did you not start looking for a place when you originally had notice there was a sale?

Cosmosforbreakfast · 15/03/2025 20:38

Go back and stay in the house. Change the locks. Speak to your solicitor, this all sounds dodgy as hell. Don't engage with her or your husband until your solicitor has given you advice.

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 15/03/2025 20:45

I think people need to stop telling OP to change the locks. It's not her house. It's her Exes. The sale is between her Ex and the judge or whatever she is. It isn't OPs house to be changing locks on.

PomPomSugar · 15/03/2025 20:51

Conveyancer here - I would register another matrimonial home rights notice asap. If your ex hasn’t told his conveyancer about the court order they wouldn’t know without the matrimonial home rights notice being registered and will just send him all the sale proceeds.

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