To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

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I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

I like Streeting and hope to see him Labour leader one day

I don't think there will be 10,000 people looking for jobs.I suspect a lot of it will be retirement or early retirement and not replacing people who leave. I think there will be a rush to get back into the office. I doubt people who worked for the Civil Service ( many of whom are degree level educated and head hunted from University) will be competing with NEETS for jobs. NEETS need suitable training and education. Many need to be pushed into getting a job, even if it means going to work in a call centre of a cafe. They wont be competing for jobs with people who held civil service roles.

You have no idea what that poster does for a living.

Any of us could be a brain surgeon on a day off....

🤣🤣🤣 We might not need the NI rises if the Government hadn’t backed itself into a tax corner where it was just about the only tax it hadn’t promised not to raise.

I was totally unconvinced by Wes Streeting but he has proven to be brave and bold, exactly what is needed to tackle such a wasteful, failing and important public service.

I've worked in the public sector and private sector.

There are definitely plodders and coasters wasting a scandalous amount in the public sector.

But on the flip side I would also say there were a decent slice of people (often the technical specialists as opposed to those "managing" or doing weird fluff jobs) who were working a workload far higher than I ever experienced in even quite cut throat private firms. These people often were poorly rewarded despite doing an essential job and working very hard, and could easily have jumped to the private sector but worked in the public sector out of civic duty. Ideally they would be better rewarded and less stretched. The equivalent for the NHS.would be the doctors, nurses etc. who are over worked and under rewarded.

Watching the coasters take the piss while working so hard I was driving my health into the ground was galling. It was easy for me to jump into the private sector for higher pay and less work

I have a £70k job in the PS. No one seems to know or care what I do, which is precious little. Even when I've admitted that, there's no attempt to redeploy me or move me on.

I'm taking early retirement mostly because I can't stand twiddling my thumbs any longer, but it would be very easy to keep taking the money.

It seems highly unlikely that I'm the only one.

That is EXACTLY the issue. One of the worst taxes to rise but they had promised not to raise any others so they were stuck. Not good.

I was always impressed by him when I heard him talk.

Hard agree on this. When you work in the public sector there’s usually 5 in 10 you could happily make redundant and 2 in 10 who’s wages ought to be doubled.

Love the idea that the civil service headhunts university students, rather than that university students apply to work in the civil service. And, of course, university students need training, unless they have done a degree-apprenticeship. Still, they are comparatively cheap.

There were over 800,000 job vacancies in December in the UK. NHS England are shedding 10,000. While a bunch of jobs are being lost due to the ridiculous NI employment penalty for businesses, there will still be jobs for those wanting one.

They are not mutually sustaining.

The private sector creates wealth and the public sector drains wealth from the country.

I worked as a major supplier to various government depts including both central and regional for many years providing technology solutions.

Without fail they were truly awful. Couldn’t make a decision efficiently, had meetings where a cast of thousands attended. It all went quiet and then another meeting was called with additional attendees all showing off and asking daft questions to show they were relevant.

Loved old technology because they knew what they knew and refused to move with the times. Hated taking calls from the general public so came out with all sorts of ways to avoid direct contact. Generic emails were the favourites with no owner of the mailbox so they could hide what they doing which was very little.

I am out of the company now but honestly some of the things I saw would make your toes curl.

It’s about time and I am no Labour fan but that was a good thing Starmer did. Just watch out for the ££££ in redundancy payments. NHS England was a good start…

They'll probably offer voluntary severance first, which is still very generous (though less generous than when I took it back in 2016). A friend took VES last year, she was able to retire at 60 so decided to take VES as she then got the severance pay as well as getting her pension lump sum. They'll get quite a lot taking that if they offer across NHSE and DHSC. Never known a department VES to be undersubscribed.

There are pockets of the public sector that are wealth generating. I earnt my organisation many multiples of my salary every year

But in the case of public sector taxpayers, their income is from tax anyway so it is not real tax.

Only private sector tax actually benefits the country.

So why not just give everyone money by that logic?

They could try bringing back the mandatory retirement age. When I left the civil service, I was managing staff in their 70s who did very little work some of who I believe were in the early stages of dementia. It’s impossible to performance management these staff as HR is so ineffectual.

That’s 15,000 people who need to switch to having a job in the real world, ie private sector. Culture shock incoming!

The problem is that they will trim the lower paid workers that actually do the work and the unnecessary managers will keep their jobs. Then we'll end up with worse services

The only way my patient experience is going to be better is if there are more doctors and nurses and they are paid a decent wage.
So yes I think this is exactly the kind of job that isn't needed

My understanding (I talk to lots of journos in my line of work) is that he's frighteningly ambitious and disconcertingly ruthless.

These qualities bode well for the NHS because, if he wants to top job one day, he's very motivated to achieve his aims around making the NHS more efficient.

Thanks for explaining what Civil Service does …
you say - it’s some kind of shopping, getting the best prices and then this reduces our taxes and reduces private sector employment.

IS it though? I really hope so as the 'Chainsaw massacre' stuff in US is awful.