To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

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I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

My husband is a civil servant, and he is baffled by the continual adding of staff to their department, when in his view, they could all just work a bit harder/more efficiently.

No, it will have no effect whatsoever.

I work in the CS and agree it's bloated, wasteful and inefficient. Performance management is abysmal too.

keeping a bloated civil service just to stop people being unemployed isn’t great for people either. Redundancies suck for people going through them, but sometimes needs must.

According to The Times we've got 10,000 more civil servants compared to pre Covid times and no increase in productivity since then.
Get rid of them, we won't notice

I worked briefly in the public sector and as a paid up leftie it killed me how inefficient and bloated it was.

I so wanted the rhetoric to be untrue but it’s not.

I’d get a new job. My skills are valued. I’d expect these public sector workers to get a new job too

If your argument was "cutting this role will result in poorer health outcomes" or similar then people might be sympathetic. But no, you appear to be in favour of running the economy like a Ponzi scheme, with more people being added to the pyramid for the sake of it.

Great, I hope they are going to take a look at the huge numbers of Turkish barbers/vape shops etc popping up that seem to keep going despite having very few customers. I doubt it though.

I pay my wages, you know... as a taxpayer. There are about 1.5 million NHS workers. 10k of civil servants are not paying our wages. Many of these people (assuming you refer to NHSE) will be absorbed into local trusts because someone still has to do these jobs somewhere. Not to mention that many of the employees have transferrable skills they can use elsewhere. It's terribly sad that people have to go through the stress of redundancies but let's not pretend that 10k people make monumental difference to wages and economy.

Could do with attracting some high-skilled tax lawyers/accountants to find ways to close the loopholes that allow many international firms to avoid so much tax on their UK operations.

Would love to see that happening in prison and Probation Service. We can barely hold it together as it is.

I mean if you shrink the private sector and make it unproductive - what did you think would happen. Anyone who voted Labour needs to own this and the welfare cuts. Spectacular own goal. Whilst being distracted by “taxing the rich” and “private schools” the people who pay the most tax have changed behaviour. Private companies are making redundancies and reducing jobs. It was obvious it would filter through to the state in jobs and welfare. Absolutely zero sympathy. If you trash the private sector and alienate the people who pay tax - you’ve no-one left to pay for state. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t a huge disaster. I’m here to see the people who called it scare tactics see the repercussions o those choices. Some might call it a told you so moment. Not so funny when the shoe is on the other foot.

Work 8-4. Private sector does have lots more redundancies though as they have to answer to their shareholders. It’s a shame the civil service doesn’t take such stewardship over public funds.

Tons of folk get made redundant. Shit happens

As a Chartered Tax Advisor have a sigh and an 🙄 for your ignorance.

I heard it was going to be small business. But I doubt it will be those types and even if it is they will just shut up shop and disappear.

I left the CS a year ago after almost 10 years. My department expanded rapidly for Brexit and then these staff continued on due to Covid. Just reducing back to 2016 levels would cut hundreds of jobs in that one place. What are all these staff, hired to deliver Brexit, doing now?

All the bureaucratic work that used to be outsourced to Brussels, but which Brexiteers bizarrely thought would disappear rather than increase in amount when more trade barriers were introduced?

Not enough public sector / 3rd sector people get made redundant often enough though. It would bring in some financial realism.

My sister works in a university and all unis are in dire financial straights, yet there is endless bleating about needing a big pay rise. Join the real world guys! The university of Dundee just announced redundancies of 20% of headcount. I wonder how many of these jobs could have been saved if the Uni had done what many Financial service firms do when times are tough and give zero pay rise whatsoever.

The private sector is going to be absolutely decimated by Reeves NI increases come April, far more than 10,000 jobs will be lost. So for most of the private sector, 10,000 jobs, whilst obviously devastating for those impacted personally, is fairly 'business as usual'. I was at HSBC when they made 20,000 redundant in 2015 - nobody was overly bothered about that at the time.

I thought it was the private sector that was leading the way in pay rises?

Good. Small and medium sized businesses account for a VAST amount of evasion. Way more than the wealthy or large companies. It’s all those tradies taking cash.

In good years yes. But in bad years they quite understandably give zero. Nothing. Which makes the ‘oh but we need a real terms pay rise’ from the public sector sound a little entitled.

Who will pay for those people to be unemployed?