To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

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I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

You’re talking complete shite, op.

While I feel for the people who will lose their jobs on a personal level I think that getting rid of some CS is a good idea
I used to have a high level voluntary position in The NHS and the waste was shocking and management was most certainly bloated
Anything that will help there be more focus on patients can only be a good thing

What's with all the doom and gloom about these people becoming unemployed anyway? I expect the vast majority are educated people with plenty of skills who will do what everyone does when made redundant and get another job. And those who aren't educated with plenty of skills shouldn't have been in the CS in the first place.

I’m in an ALB having come from the private sector and I have to agree that it’s desperately inefficient in many ways. But I’d suggest they start with procurement and IT before they start shedding staff, and they’d probably see a significant increase in efficiency. I’m using systems that were designed in the 00s and are no longer fit for purpose. It is incredibly frustrating. I would also say that it would help if parties could work together to create long-term policies that they agree on, rather than us starting one thing only for the next government to scrap it.

Are you talking about the abolition of NHS England? That particular quango has only existed since the Lansley ‘reforms’ in 2012. I know someone who works in it and is shocked by the bloated bureaucracy and the entire departments which are pointlessly duplicated in NHSE & the Department of Health. NHSE’s budget is £180 billion. Much of this is an horrific waste of money which should be going into new scanners, more beds, repairing our crumbling hospitals and reducing waiting lists.

I hope we don’t see another Labour Government in future generations. Look how badly the last one with Blair and Brown ended!

Great news. Most of them will likely have been on long term sick anyway. They need to clear out those unelected, unaccountable civil servants who throw anything they don’t like into the long grass and obstruct politicians who try to effect real change at every turn.

I used to work for the DTI in years gone by, absolutely unbearable, full of inflexible activist ass hats whose main concern was whether they’d could use a microwave in the communal areas.

I applaud them. What other job has not come under scrutiny and the potential to be made redundant. I was in 2009. Happy to be made so, as I had other plans away from that industry.

I'm currently having issues with HMRC, the inability to reply to many phone calls from my accountant and letters from me. I've had to get my mp involved. Hopefully, a kick up the backside will encourage people to actually do their jobs

It willbe cheaper for the tax payer to fund people's unemployment payments rather than employ too many workers in Social Servieces earning much more.

Exactly, If they are going to cut superfluous jobs and hire more people to go out gathering tax and sorting out tax avoidance, they will get more revenue. I thought much of it was going to be through natural wastage and not replacing people. The people needed during COVID were clearly crap as they allowed every shady tom dick and Harry to defraud the government grants, and they are still in jobs. Many of the extra civil servants are also dealing with the fallout from Brexit, so yet another brilliant Brexit benefit. Hopefully some jobs can be saved by having a better relationship with Europe.

It’s not good news for young people who are NEETs - even more competition for them when so many are already failing to get a foothold in the job market in the first place. And why the Government made it more expensive to employ people with its ridiculous NI rises, heaven only knows - even when it then gives more funding to, eg, schools, large amounts are then eaten up in the increases in the cost of employing people.

It’s clearly not fit and over Staffed, if up to 10,000 people’s roles aren’t essential or required. My private sector company restructures departments to make the business more cost effective (mostly looking ant where the departments double up work, as they buy businesses so duplicate roles etc) and the public sector should be no different. Have a continuous improvement and lean team come in see the processes what is excess etc

Oh God if only! Can you imagine! Politicians working for the long term good of the country!

We might not need the NI rises if we didn’t have to spend so much money on public sector non-jobs.

Yes and it's experience like this - shared by so many so far - which offers an answer to "Why do people think some do nothing all day?"

As I've said on here before there's a good reason why some employers regard previous public service work as a bar to appointment, which won't do a whole lot for "They can just get other jobs", but fortunately there's always lower skill work available

I am utterly astounded that nhs England employs so many people! I honestly thought 200 or so. 10,000 is an enormous organisation.

Hopefully they will get jobs in the private sector and actually produce wealth.

I think Streeting is doing a brilliant job. The NHS urgently needs to improve and he seems energetic, dedicated and focussed. Anyone blaming the state of the NHS on Labour needs their head seeing to.

Wow imagine the culture shock 😂

Bravo!

This statement is so vague as to be totally pointless.

It is sector and business specific. If an individual business is doing well enough to fund pay rises it has that option. If it isnt performing well enough, it won't.

I advise the PS and I agree. The amount of bloat is insane. Often I have been in a room with multiple lawyers each advising multiple "senior managers" of different limbs of.the NHS just to get one agreement in place between different bits of the NHS. And that's at least to try and get something tangible to.happen. There's a huge amount of bloat in some areas. Often while other people work phenomenally hard and cover 2-3x the work that they should. There's a whole industry of middle managers and bureaucrats just justifying their own existence

Of course the civil service needs to be streamlined.

Too many people in pointless jobs.

Frontline staff are needed but too many civil service jobs seem to be just paper-pushing and endless meetings with no real benefit to the country or the taxpayer.

I think it depends where the 10,000 jobs are being cut.

Ultimately UK is in a situation where our tax burden is the highest it's ever been, NHS spend has increased substantially year on year over past two decades, and yet we still have substandard health and infrastructure services, and rock bottom productivity.

Trimming unneeded roles will reduce unnecessary tax spend and free up the people who've been made redundant to use their excellent skills elsewhere more productively.

The working age population of the UK is nearly 34 million. The civil service is nearly 500k.
Making 10k redundant is a tiny, tiny number as a proportion of either of those figures. This will have zero impact outside of the homes of the individuals concerned. I can feel empathy for them. Everything beyond that is hyperbole.