To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

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I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

How is it going to hurt everyone? Please elaborate.

If you don’t think we’ve a bloated yet inefficient public service, you need to open your eyes and your mind

This is the first positive thing kier starmer has done

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Enlighten us, OP? We are paying for CS, there’s too many, cuts will make most of us better off, no?

I mean, they should, in theory. No chance they actually will make us better off.

How is putting 10k people out of work, significantly cutting their ability to act as consumers for the private sector which in turn will reduce tax receipts and private sector employment, when the jobs market is on the floor, going to hurt everyone?

I’m public sector and honestly, I can’t argue with that

I think it’s a good move. It’s somewhat different and more considered than the hacking and slashing in the US.

And who pays your wages? And how will your wages be sustained as fewer and fewer people have money to spend?

An investment bank. They won’t be affected in the slightest.

There are plenty of jobs around, we don’t need to be effectively subsidising people to do bloated, bureaucratic, non-jobs in order to artificially keep people in jobs.

Ah, so this is what stopping WFH is really about. Hoping people leave.

I thought I read somewhere they are going to cut the civil service, while hiring 5000 new tax inspectors.

This is pretty ignorant

At best with more and more people out of work you're less in demand and that means you command a lot less pay

At worse the businesses that your company invests in fold and your company decamps elsewhere

So we should employ people so that they can spend the money we give them? Is that the basis for your argument? If so that’s a rubbish argument. The taxpayer would still be better off if these public servants were made redundant and found alternative work doing something productive.

Civil servants being made redundant will have absolutely no effect on my US employer. Which was your original question, no it won’t affect all of us.

The taxpayer is not better off if she has no income to tax

Your US employer isn't going to pay you miles above the typical UK wage for a job based in the UK

Why would they

An ebbing ride lowers all boats

The purpose of employing public sector workers is not to keep consumerism going.

Me neither. Financial services worker here too.

I have worked in the public sector and the amount of people employed to do not a lot as their employer can’t be bothered making them redundant is staggering.

Well they can't very well decimate disability payments without demonstrating willingness to cut some of the state back.

The public sector and the private sector are mutually sustaining

A sudden hacking away of ten thousand workers (many in areas of especially low employment) is going to be catastrophic

It's like you people can't learn from the past

I’m a skilled worker. My skills have value which keeps my wage high

And what will you do if you lose out in the next wave of redundancies? Desperately try to get a new job. Bonne chance.

The thing is OP Boris agreed to CS taking on many thousands more during the pandemic. We probably needed them then, but we are out of the pandemic now and we don't need so many CS. Also Starmer said a lot of the ones who will be going were replicating work that others in different departments were doing. No point paying people to replicate work. Starmer is correct to show courage and chop the unnecessary staff. I agree it's likely we are going into recession. Many businesses are shedding staff ATM. RR putting up NIC on staff and setting base at which employers start to pay at £5k made it worse along with quite a big jump in the NMW.

I can see that maybe the workers in the sandwich shop by the headquarters might be bothered, but not anyone else.

You're not irreplaceable

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