To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

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I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

I was in an LA too. Honestly one of the worst times of my life. I ended up putting on 2 stone whilst I was there.

@BooomShakeTheRoom No. Everyone is quartiled every year, and as PP said, the bottom 5-10% of staff are cut every year, on an ongoing basis. There were also large scale redundancies from 2007-2017.

They are run extremely lean and efficiently now. Every single process is measured and assessed constantly.

OP’s AIBU was not is it a shame for the people involved; of course it always is. They were making the point that everyone would be affected by this, which they will not.

The idea that the reduction in disposable cash of 10,000 civil servants, spread all over the UK may somehow result in the downfall of a Tier 1 US Investment Bank did make me laugh on my journey home though.

It’s about bloody time! I hope Starmer does as he says and sends the extra money to the front line where it really is needed.

Hmm. Except that depends on how you assess what makes a top or bottom performer - the global recession, after all, wasn’t caused by people their investment bank employers had been judging to be poor performers, and it wasn’t the people who caused it who suffered the worst consequences.

I've worked in both private and public sectors. Was mystified that any work was actually done in the public sector. Bloated and inefficient with unmotivated staff. At one point my entire team had no work to do for a week! One member always called in sick on a Monday, with no repercussions.

Your questions show the gap between public and private sector.

Of course there’s a gap - they have completely different roles.

It would be interesting to see how the British public reacted to the Government behaving like an investment bank. 🤣

Stop investing in the elderly, for a start - they are not profitable.

Bear in mind that just because Labour are saying this, doesn't necessarily mean it will happen, likr most other stuff they say.

I work with CD grade 7 I believe so he's earning good money. His attendance is poor and he's as useful as a chocolate fire guard. He's so bad at his job that he's a become a running joke. So OP wants this guy to retain his cushy salary and keep getting promoted? He's earning at least 60k now. Personally I wouldn't pay a penny for his 'skill'.

I am not a Labour supporter but this is the first thing they do that I 100% support.

I am reminded of the government in the '70s (think it was under Heath though may've been Callaghan) trying to keep full employment by job sharing, literally two people doing the same job, it was bonkers and didn't work

Reading through the thread, it's clear that HR departments across the public sector need strengthening. Whenever a new manager is brought in and wants to change things for the better, they get absolutely no support.

In the MoD I'd like to see the procurement operation replaced by the team who have worked hard to get things to the Ukrainian frontline as fast as possible. The rest of the MoD is tediously slow.

You often see posts on here by teachers wanting to leave teaching, and applying to Civil Service roles because of the cushy working conditions and pension

Alastair Campbell tried, I guess, but the media can't publish as much swearing as your average investment bank on a good day.

Next should be the bloated Academy Trusts with the CEOS and Chief Impact Officers on massive salaries doing very little, while teachers are run off their feet.

Get on the topic about waiting times for DLA child then explain how cutting staff will benefit their customers.

Due to the size of redundancy packages cutting any public sector jobs doesn’t generally result in any savings for a considerable time. Up to two years recovery is an often viewed as acceptable (ie it will cost us double his salary but then we will save money). The system needs to be overhauled. These exit payments and massive pensions are completely unsustainable

I do always think it’s funny that if a private company were to go under, or close UK operations, everyone is criticising the government for not saving the jobs (Tata Steel comes to mind), but when it’s the civil service people are positively gleeful.

I used to be civil servant then restrained as a teacher. I'm surprised cuts haven't been made sooner. Slow pace. Not enough work done. Waste of resources in some areas. I actually can't believe how lazy I was allowed to be as CS now I compare the work I get done and the requirements of being a teacher.

Do we know which departments it’s in or whether it will be actual redundancies or natural wastage?
I guess cutting some departments will affect more than others.

It will happen. There’s no choice. What else has the government said it will do that hasn’t happened?

Steelmaking is a strategic industry. We really don't want to be reliant on hostile states for the supply of the materials we make weapons with.

No

So long as it’s duplicate roles, or roles that can be made more efficient through technology, then this is what’s needed. If the rest of the team are expected to pick up the slack then that’s not going to work. Also so long as front line services to the public are not affected, then no one else should sufffer.

The people being made redundant would get a nice pay off, and probably their pensions paid off too. Many may be grateful and see it as an opportunity to retire early. Others should be able to survive on a payout, retrain and find new opportunities. The saving in salaries will outweigh the tax contributions made by these individuals who may will most likely be contributing again when they figure out what their next step in life is.