To cut off homophobic friends?

[WitheringHeights8]

I experienced homophobia from a close friend, and I stood up for myself.

She told me she doesn't believe in LGBTQ, and that it shouldn't be taught in schools. She was really aggressive in her opinion, and insinuated that teaching children about diversity in relationships was tantamount to abuse.

I've since blocked her after this, but I miss the friendship. It's been extremely hard as we were close. I almost want to reach out and say, ok, you've attacked my identity, but I still want to keep contact.

I feel harsh, but I can't see how this is compatible with my life.

They're using the homophobic attack of queer as not acceptable.

As I said knowing about homosexuality IMO is fine and also diversity to a degree but I personally think it’s all gone too far.. there are many more alternatives now and my niece was telling her mother about children who decide to be animals rather than humans and to me this is absolute madness!

I agree that Prince Charming and princesses is also ridiculous but not sure my child has been learning about this! He in fact told me about Rosa Parkes and Charles dickens recently which I was thrilled with!

Did she know you were gay? If that's the case she was never a friend.

When it stands for “Questioning”, nothing; if you are unsure of your sexuality or haven’t yet decided whether you want to apply a particular label to yourself, it’s a perfectly fine category under the umbrella. When it stands for “Queer” I think it’s a tricky bedfellow. Many older LGBT people are still deeply uncomfortable with a word which they generally previously only heard immediately prior to a punch to the back of the head, having been rebranded in recent years to represent just about anybody who wants to adopt it, including for entirely nebulous concepts like feeling some sort of way about how your body should look, to being in a relationship with somebody who has these feelings, to “demisexual” and “sapiosexual.”

I can't work out if my sarcasm detector is on the blink.

Its okay, i didnt read it as goady.

There are a lot of people these days who "identify as" "queer". They are, by and large, not.
Many of them are heterosexual and playing with identity politics. A heterosexual woman is not "in a queer relationship" just because her male partner "identifies as non binary" and various combinations of the above.
The LGB (or at least those members of it that i tend to associate with) largely roll their eyeballs at best, and at worse find it absolutely offensive because "queer" was what we often heard prior to being abused for being gay in the 90s.
It hasn't been "reclaimed" by a lot of us.

Ive always found that the vast majority of modern day "queers" are attention seeking, homophobic and demanding heterosexuals who have glommed on to the LGB like we're a trend.

How would you explain "too far".

I personally work with kids and in no way are they being taught that they can be animals.

This sounds a lot like right wing propaganda with no basis in reality.

I disagree entirely. I think you're falling into the common homophobic trope that being queer is a fad. What is your evidence for this?

Queer is an all encompassing term to describe a person's experience that falls outside societal norms.

Either way, taking sexuality not identity into account, she's no friend to you.

Well, for a start prior to the past decade being queer was something that got shouted at us before a pasting and now its something adopted by spicy straights who think they're queer because theyve bought some rainbow converse, taken on an asymmetrical fringe and are currently identifying as the most oppressed members of society.

PS, the LGB isnt repository for those who "fall outside societal norms". We are same sex attracted, not a circus.

Queer is an all encompassing term to describe a person's experience that falls outside societal norms.

Everyone's experience of the world, how we express ourselves & how we relate to each other in private is unique, even within societal norms.
It's historically been known as a personality.

I honestly think this is just nonsense.

You're parroting right wing rhetoric with no basis in reality.

Tell me, have you experienced these types of people, and why do you hold such prejudice?

I've loads of friends and obviously all have different views on various aspects of life, some outspoken about things I don't agree with, but we just agree to differ and are still friends, still drink a pint together.
But I'm male.

How does this make sense? I could be attracted to a celebrity i have seen on TV or even a model in a catalogue without knowing what their gender identity is?

Are you being serious?

Oh dear Lord! educate yourself

You're being very rigid on your answers, insisting that your way of viewing things is the only acceptable way.

It's not, it's just your opinion. Maybe your friend had a different opinion on these matters.

Queer is a term open to interpretation, as is the concept of LGBTQ and whether it is a grouping that goes together well or not.

Calling someone right wing for simply disagreeing with you suggests an intolerant way of communicating with others.

Not everyone believes in gender ideology so your definition of gay as being attracted to gender identity only works for the group that does - other people will go for different ideas - such as same sex attracted. You don't get to state that they are wrong because you don't like their opinion.

What was the deleted message?

8t was saying the people are attracted to gender identity not biological sex and the concept of biological sex is oppressive and transphobic.

As are you?

Gender ideology is a right wing dog whistle.

We are not a nebulous concept. Why you have an issue with this I'd love to know?

Do you genuinely believe your children are at risk, or are you bigoted?

I believe LGB is totally fine and should be taught in schools.

The TQ+ gender bs? No effing way.

I strongly suspect that’s your friend’s opinion as well.

I'm surprised that mumsnet deleted this. Transphobia is endemic here.

I don't believe I stated my own opinion.

You seem to have just made it up for me.

What is the Tq bias in your opinion?

Are your worried your kid will end up trans beacuse of it?

If so, how is that a problem?