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Time to call out shit parenting!

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RedHot2025 · 07/03/2025 08:51

Just watched an article on BBC breakfast about decay in children's teeth.

Professional talked about scheme where teachers teach children to brush teeth each day since many children don't brush their teeth or get shown how to.

The presentator Nagga said is it right for teachers to do this and have time to do this surely parents should. The professional did everything to not blame poor parenting.

I mean, why don't we just say things as they are anymore? The parents are not parenting if they cannot be bothered to teach children to brush teeth twice a day (or for that matter toilet train). Why is it now down to teachers?

Some parents appear to do sod all but just churn out children.

Note. This is not SEN children, just children in general in particular areas. Again same with teaching to use toilet, not sen related.

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Lollygaggle · 09/03/2025 19:48

JeanPaulGagtier · 09/03/2025 19:28

1 in 8 is 12.5% of the children, so if you have 23% needing extractions that is over half that are having them due to organic issues forming enamel and dentine rather than poor oral health.

*edit to say it is 23% with decay, not necessarily even needing extractions.

Edited

Most cases of MIH are very mild with just white spots on the teeth , it’s a cosmetic problem for the vast majority of children and does not make teeth weaker or more prone to decay. In the past many cases of MIH were misdiagnosed as fluorosis .

I’ve taken thousands of teeth out for children and referred many for extractions, the youngest 18 months old. A tiny minority have been for trauma or decay associated with MIH , the vast,vast,vast majority for decay caused by poor dietary choices.

The heartbreaking thing is that most will be back for more treatment as the biggest predictor for poor oral health in adulthood is extractions in childhood.

You would think the “short ,sharp,shock” of having a GA and your child in hospital would change things but people accept they and their family have “weak teeth” and that dental treatment is normal , whereas for the vast majority they and their family have a weak diet and further treatment is very,very preventable. Research shows the child who has teeth out early will go on to be the child who has more and more invasive dental treatment.

I have many families with children with extreme difficulties who prioritise oral care and the huge physical, time,care barriers to oral care have raised children with excellent oral health.

I also have families who refuse to believe that their “healthy” diet of smoothies, homemade flapjacks and honied fruit teas is causing decay , let alone their refusal to use fluoride toothpastes or even ones with hydroxyapatite.

In general second and subsequent children have worse dental health than their first born siblings , mainly because they are introduced to sugary foods earlier following their older siblings diet, although less time supervising toothbrushing may also have a role.

A few years ago we used to have Swedish dentists coming to my area to train. This is because in the U.K. there is so much decay they just don’t see in Sweden. It’s down to diet.

Lollygaggle · 09/03/2025 19:51

Processed foods have a lot of added extras , including sugar . We are number two in the world for eating processed food.

Time to call out shit parenting!
faffadoodledo · 09/03/2025 19:59

When my children were little 20+ years ago my MiL was a recently retired primary school teacher. She used to tell me the minimum she expected of a child entering Reception was that they could wipe their own bottoms and sit still most of the time. In a generation this seems to have flown out of the window.

JeanPaulGagtier · 09/03/2025 20:12

pursuitOfSomething · 07/03/2025 11:38

Why don't we do this now?

I grew up in 80s - public information films were around and how I learnt not to play near plyons and how to cross road and why you had to be careful round train tracks.

We used to be really good at them - I've seen US reviews look at some of the old blunt even scary ones. They were apparently very savy getting people just graduating from film schools wanting to make a mark and build a reputation.

We did do some teeth things back in my 80s primary school - we did experiments with putting teeth in cola - and visibly saw how bad it was and I think has some brushing lessons.

Because they don't make money and they cost Public Health a lot. Maybe we will see more as prevention starts to emerge as a priority in healthcare, but we've been trying to put plasters on arterial wounds for over a decade. The fact many families now don't even have a dentist is a case in point for why trends for oral hygiene in kids are getting to the point extractions are needed. I didn't see any links to stats from the previous poster so I am assuming the 1 in 8 stat (12.5% of kids in UK with MIH) are largely being left untreated until they do cause decay, which is presumably preventable with timely treatment.

unicornpower · 09/03/2025 20:21

Utterly ridiculous and it’s shit, lazy parenting for the most part, brushing your kids teeth is part of looking after them and a responsibility of being a parent. It’s 4 mins a day total, it’s disgusting people just aren’t brushing their kids teeth

Lollygaggle · 09/03/2025 20:39

JeanPaulGagtier · 09/03/2025 20:12

Because they don't make money and they cost Public Health a lot. Maybe we will see more as prevention starts to emerge as a priority in healthcare, but we've been trying to put plasters on arterial wounds for over a decade. The fact many families now don't even have a dentist is a case in point for why trends for oral hygiene in kids are getting to the point extractions are needed. I didn't see any links to stats from the previous poster so I am assuming the 1 in 8 stat (12.5% of kids in UK with MIH) are largely being left untreated until they do cause decay, which is presumably preventable with timely treatment.

MIH is mostly a cosmetic problem , white spots on teeth, the vast majority of teeth with MIH are no more prone to decay than any other teeth. Only a tiny minority of people with MIH , which mostly only affects first adult molars and incisors , have weakened teeth. Likewise amelogenesis imperfecta and dentnogenesis imperfecta are very rare.

The vast,vast majority of teeth needing extraction are because of poor dietary habits and choices .

EasternStandard · 09/03/2025 20:39

@Lollygaggle depressing

CharlotteCChapel · 09/03/2025 20:58

I hate cleaning my teeth, the mint taste of toothpaste is awful but I'm better with the lime one I found in poundland.

I have to tell dgs to just brush with water as again he loathes the taste of toothpaste, even my lime one.

sunshine244 · 09/03/2025 21:15

I think people sometimes forget how many different serious issues teachers had to deal with in the past.

My gran was a teacher. I'm a bit vague how long ago, but she died aged 95 a decade ago so a long time ago. She used to tell me about having to buy handkerchiefs to clean kids faces that were literally black with dirt. She would spray a dab of perfume on for them because some kids were rarely bathed and smelled so badly. The nit nurse came into class and there were often kids with bed bug bites, fleas etc. Some she wouldn't see for weeks because of parents working and not noticing their kids out of school. I remember being horrified about some of her stories of kids in poverty (and she didn't teach in a particularly bad area).

I was an early 80s baby. My diet was pretty atrocious - oven food almost every night. Walls banger sausages (battered sausages) and similar rubbish. Primary school only served chips plus hot dog/battered fish type stuff. High School was even worse - they literally just sold chips. In comparison school meals are much better now.

I think the biggest issue is that people's expectations have risen hugely from when I was a child (and absolutely incomparable to when my gran was a teacher), but services have been cut.

Lollygaggle · 09/03/2025 23:50

CharlotteCChapel · 09/03/2025 20:58

I hate cleaning my teeth, the mint taste of toothpaste is awful but I'm better with the lime one I found in poundland.

I have to tell dgs to just brush with water as again he loathes the taste of toothpaste, even my lime one.

Oranurse is an unflavoured, non foaming toothpaste.Many with sensory issues use it. You may have to buy it online. If you rinse or brush with water you are rinsing away protective fluoride and stopping Ngany of toothpastes benefits.

Scottishdreams1991 · 10/03/2025 00:03

I always remember what the lady that ran a weaning class said back when my dd was a baby. It's better to have a healthy baby then a happy baby when someone mentioned her baby just screams at toothbrushing. It stayed with me including when I had ds with severe sen who bites the toothbrush like jaws on crack. All three of my kids have beautiful clean teeth

Helpmetogetoverthis · 10/03/2025 08:03

sunshine244 · 09/03/2025 21:15

I think people sometimes forget how many different serious issues teachers had to deal with in the past.

My gran was a teacher. I'm a bit vague how long ago, but she died aged 95 a decade ago so a long time ago. She used to tell me about having to buy handkerchiefs to clean kids faces that were literally black with dirt. She would spray a dab of perfume on for them because some kids were rarely bathed and smelled so badly. The nit nurse came into class and there were often kids with bed bug bites, fleas etc. Some she wouldn't see for weeks because of parents working and not noticing their kids out of school. I remember being horrified about some of her stories of kids in poverty (and she didn't teach in a particularly bad area).

I was an early 80s baby. My diet was pretty atrocious - oven food almost every night. Walls banger sausages (battered sausages) and similar rubbish. Primary school only served chips plus hot dog/battered fish type stuff. High School was even worse - they literally just sold chips. In comparison school meals are much better now.

I think the biggest issue is that people's expectations have risen hugely from when I was a child (and absolutely incomparable to when my gran was a teacher), but services have been cut.

I read a book about the beginnings of health visiting and it was eye opening!

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