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‘Game the system’ disability benefits

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Tomatochocolate · 05/03/2025 11:30

WTF
just read a bbc article about welfare reforms

Apparently ministers think that it’s an incentive to claim disability benefits as the incentive is no work commitments on UC. That claimants ‘game the system’

It’s a long process and really hard to get awarded dla or pip. It’s not just ticking a box that says ‘I’m too sick to work’.

AIBU to think this is just horrific

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NameChanges123 · 05/03/2025 17:29

I know someone (fairly young) who's on PIP - DWP hasn't contacted them for YEARS to find out how they are, if their situation has changed, if they're capable of doing anything...

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 05/03/2025 17:30

NameChanges123 · 05/03/2025 17:29

I know someone (fairly young) who's on PIP - DWP hasn't contacted them for YEARS to find out how they are, if their situation has changed, if they're capable of doing anything...

Not a YOUNG person who is disabled? Everyone knows only old people are disabled!!

richardosmanstrousers · 05/03/2025 17:32

When people talk about 'fraud' on these threads, they don't actually mean fraud. As demonstrated by several, they just mean they don't think certain conditions worthy of PIP. It's nothing to do with fraud and everything to do with ignorant posters, as always.

Someone has suggested people with depression just go for a fucking walk - these people are not fraudulent claims, theposter is merely an idiot.

CerealPosterHere · 05/03/2025 17:32

PandoraSox · 05/03/2025 17:26

Well, in the same vein why should I pay tax to help pay for child benefit and the education of other people's children. Have done so for 40+ years and will until I die.

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That’s completely different. Kids need an education to be able to contribute to society as adults.

why should someone on 30k a year, struggling to get by be expected to contribute to someone on 70k a year wages so they get an extra £700 a month? When that persons lifestyle is way above what the first person has? And when such spending means actual out of work benefits for really vulnerable people are lower than they should be. So many people in real poverty. We should be looking at equalising living standards when the state is funding it.

richardosmanstrousers · 05/03/2025 17:34

NameChanges123 · 05/03/2025 17:29

I know someone (fairly young) who's on PIP - DWP hasn't contacted them for YEARS to find out how they are, if their situation has changed, if they're capable of doing anything...

Hmm, well PIP has been on the go for around 12 ish years now and they did away with the indefinite awards that you used to get on DLA, so perhaps they are on a ten year light touch review, which would only be given with utter mountains of evidence/

CerealPosterHere · 05/03/2025 17:37

richardosmanstrousers · 05/03/2025 17:32

When people talk about 'fraud' on these threads, they don't actually mean fraud. As demonstrated by several, they just mean they don't think certain conditions worthy of PIP. It's nothing to do with fraud and everything to do with ignorant posters, as always.

Someone has suggested people with depression just go for a fucking walk - these people are not fraudulent claims, theposter is merely an idiot.

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What do you think about the couple I know neither of whom work and claim every benefit going. She has a bad back and he gets carers allowance for her. He has a bad back and she gets carers allowance for him. Not fraud because apparently that’s allowed but do you think it’s right? Surely if someone is so bad they need care then they can’t care for someone?

anyway the person laughing the most I guess is me because their benefits pay their £1400 a month rent straight into my bank account 👍🏻😁. They didn’t want one of my £700 3 bed properties like my working couple tenants who could only dream of affording the rent for my bigger house.

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:38

Being discussed on LBC now…

PandoraSox · 05/03/2025 17:40

CerealPosterHere · 05/03/2025 17:32

That’s completely different. Kids need an education to be able to contribute to society as adults.

why should someone on 30k a year, struggling to get by be expected to contribute to someone on 70k a year wages so they get an extra £700 a month? When that persons lifestyle is way above what the first person has? And when such spending means actual out of work benefits for really vulnerable people are lower than they should be. So many people in real poverty. We should be looking at equalising living standards when the state is funding it.

Disabled people earn less in general.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/disability/articles/disabilitypaygapsintheuk/2021

Disability benefits help with loads of different costs that non-disabled people don't have. A huge amount of PIP basically goes back into the economy. It helps disabled people to be able to be a part of and contribute to society.

Disability pay gaps in the UK - Office for National Statistics

Earnings statistics for disabled and non-disabled employees in the UK, using regression analysis to provide more insight into factors that affect pay.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/disability/articles/disabilitypaygapsintheuk/2021

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:41

PandoraSox · 05/03/2025 17:40

Disabled people earn less in general.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/disability/articles/disabilitypaygapsintheuk/2021

Disability benefits help with loads of different costs that non-disabled people don't have. A huge amount of PIP basically goes back into the economy. It helps disabled people to be able to be a part of and contribute to society.

What costs? Given we have comprehensive free medical care? What would cost £750 a month, every month?

PandoraSox · 05/03/2025 17:42

Anyway, hiding this thread now. It is painful to see the disability hate. Thankfully in real life people seem a lot kinder and more compassionate.

EasternStandard · 05/03/2025 17:45

why should someone on 30k a year, struggling to get by be expected to contribute to someone on 70k a year wages so they get an extra £700 a month? When that persons lifestyle is way above what the first person has?

What are the arguments against means testing?

WilmaFlintstone1 · 05/03/2025 17:46

I’m interested in what the Govt will do. My son is autistic and has moderate LD. he gets PIP and LCWRA. However apart from PIP he has had no recent reviews.
At 18 he absolutely was not ready for work. However we are now supporting him with volunteering to try and build some work skills.

I hope he will find work in the next few years but it will need employers who make reasonable adjustments and who understand autism. What he can do easily on one day may be impossible on another depending on the environment around him.

It will be interesting to see what comes from the new proposals. I don’t want my son written off at 22yrs old. That’s a pathway to misery,

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/03/2025 17:49

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:41

What costs? Given we have comprehensive free medical care? What would cost £750 a month, every month?

Hmm. Plenty of people would dispute "comprehensive medical care" in this country. In fact, the reason many people find themselves long term "on the sick" is because physical issues are subject to long waiting lists, and trying to access early intervention or treatment via a GP is extremely difficult. This leads to deterioration and more time off.

People may, therefore, use their PIP for treatment they cannot access in a timely fashion. Particularly relevant in the case of mental health support.

Transport is another issue, hence the Motability scheme. See also dietary requirements, and elevated heating costs etc etc

But you know all this really, don't you?

JohnTheRevelator · 05/03/2025 17:50

As someone who is in receipt of disability benefits,I can safely say that it is NOT easy to claim them. I have found the whole process exhausting and demeaning,but I understand that they have to be thorough. What I find particularly wearing is the fact that I am only on a 3 year award for PIP, when the conditions that I have are not going to improve,they are only going to get worse. When I was on DLA,I was on a lifetime award,but when I was transferred onto PIP 7 years ago,it was decided that I needed to be reassessed every 3 years.

PandoraSox · 05/03/2025 17:50

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:41

What costs? Given we have comprehensive free medical care? What would cost £750 a month, every month?

OK. Costs to get to work because public transport is inaccessible. Costs of extra heating. Costs of extra washing. Costs of physiotherapy. Chiropody. Costs of hiring help for personal care and/or for help around the home. Costs of buying a wheelchair or scooter. Costs of adapting the home as a person's condition deteriorates. Cost of therapy to mentally cope with all the shit that comes with being disabled.

That is just off the top of my head. I sincerely hope you never find out the cost of disability yourself. Have a nice evening.

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:52

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/03/2025 17:49

Hmm. Plenty of people would dispute "comprehensive medical care" in this country. In fact, the reason many people find themselves long term "on the sick" is because physical issues are subject to long waiting lists, and trying to access early intervention or treatment via a GP is extremely difficult. This leads to deterioration and more time off.

People may, therefore, use their PIP for treatment they cannot access in a timely fashion. Particularly relevant in the case of mental health support.

Transport is another issue, hence the Motability scheme. See also dietary requirements, and elevated heating costs etc etc

But you know all this really, don't you?

No, I don’t.

My disability is a bit like epilepsy, I don’t want to be too specific as it’s quite identifying.

But I’m also a person and I know virtually everyone has unavoidable costs another person doesn’t, whether that’s commuting, rising leasehold costs for privately owned flats, 1 off enormous bills for private medical care (I just paid £800 out my savings to have a thankfully benign tumour removed), dentistry, car repairs etc

I don’t think the taxpayer should be aiming to financially compensate every unfairness in life.

JohnTheRevelator · 05/03/2025 17:54

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:08

I think we should halve PIP. £400 a month is more than enough as top rate. And place a total benefits cap per household of £23,000 or thereabouts. I haven’t seen anyone advocate for NO welfare system (ever, in fact). Just a slimming down of what we have now as it’s wildly out of control, to the extent we are now scrabbling around for military funding when Europe is under threat. We as taxpayers don’t exist solely to support a minority with ‘needs’. We also want decent defence, a pleasant environment, good leisure and sports facilities, well resourced policing and fire services. As it is we don’t get any of the latter, they’re cut more and more as benefits go up and up.

Disabled bashing at its finest. All I can say is,let's hope that you never end up sick or disabled and in need of financial support.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/03/2025 17:54

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:52

No, I don’t.

My disability is a bit like epilepsy, I don’t want to be too specific as it’s quite identifying.

But I’m also a person and I know virtually everyone has unavoidable costs another person doesn’t, whether that’s commuting, rising leasehold costs for privately owned flats, 1 off enormous bills for private medical care (I just paid £800 out my savings to have a thankfully benign tumour removed), dentistry, car repairs etc

I don’t think the taxpayer should be aiming to financially compensate every unfairness in life.

You say compensation for unfairness, I say the difference between a life worth living or misery.

MidnightPatrol · 05/03/2025 17:57

The reason they need to address this, is that the cost of it is increasing so rapidly. Since 2020 the cost has gone up by 45% in real terms - and there are 150% monthly claimants in 2024 vs 2020 ie the problem is growing.

Today the ‘bill’ is £65m. It’s on track to be £100m by the end of the decade.

I have to say this came as a surprise given how difficult it’s supposed to be to claim them.

The two leading ailments are mental health and skeletal pain.

I slightly fear ‘mental health’ has become the new ‘bad back’ when it comes to claiming additional support. And - no one is allowed to challenge it either, as it’s deemed offensive to query.

TigerRag · 05/03/2025 18:01

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:41

What costs? Given we have comprehensive free medical care? What would cost £750 a month, every month?

I had to take a loan (interest free from a company who sell the item) just so I can read without having to enlarge everything to font size 24 (which is larger than "large print") that was £250 a month for 10 months

And then there's the heating, extra washing, having to spend more on shoes because I can't do laces due to my disability and they wear out quickly because I can't walk properly

We may get "comprehensive free medical care" but some of us have to pay for medication that the NHS won't supply

ladyamy · 05/03/2025 18:01

Tomatochocolate · 05/03/2025 11:32

How though ? The process for dla and pip is complicated you can’t get either easily ?

Exaggerate/fabricate symptoms to your doctor of conditions that can only be confirmed with anecdotal evidence (ADHD, agoraphobia, anxiety, etc) then you can, in turn, use this evidence to claim PIP, ADP, etc.

I haven’t done this, but I’m ashamed to say I know people who have.

Cattreesea · 05/03/2025 18:04

@NameChanges123

I know someone (fairly young) who's on PIP - DWP hasn't contacted them for YEARS to find out how they are, if their situation has changed, if they're capable of doing anything...

Nonsense.

PIP claims are regularly reviewed. No one gets it for life...

And you can be young and disabled.

ladyamy · 05/03/2025 18:07

Jabtastic · 05/03/2025 11:47

I agree with you and people don't understand how barefaced some people are about exaggerating. They do it because they need the money. I have MS which is progressing all the time. It really annoys me that I'm funding a lifestyle for people who are less ill than I am. I work bloody hard for my family.

I have MS too and feel exactly the same

flea101 · 05/03/2025 18:07

I have schizophrenia and am under cmht. I get pip and cannot work. I feel useless as I used to work full time but my mental health has deteriorated and I now can no longer do so. To look at me I am fine. To get pip I had to have a telephone interview, which I found very difficult as I am sure many people do. It really bothers me that benefit bashing seems to be the in thing at the moment, it seems to be you are seen as secondary if you are on benefits. I do get that there must be a proportion of people who play the system but I can't imagine that is easy to do.

Kirbert2 · 05/03/2025 18:11

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 17:41

What costs? Given we have comprehensive free medical care? What would cost £750 a month, every month?

For my son:

travel expenses to regular appointments
incontinence supplies
extra electricity because the washer/dryer is always on due to said incontinence
hydrotherapy sessions to help with his mobility
private physio sessions because the NHS funds one a week and he needs more to be able to progress
adapted shoes that will fit over his brace/splints

I could go on.

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