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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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Crakajak · 06/03/2025 17:23

My tarrifs? 😄

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 17:25

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Psychostates · 06/03/2025 17:44

@DuncinToffee · Today 17:09

'Is taking Greenland part of world peace?'

And his Gaza plan for a Riviera of the Middle East, saying Palestinians can never return. I think he's trying to make it into the damn Vegas strip; the man is an absolute fruitloop.

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 17:45

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Why don't you unhinge yourself from x or RT or whatever crackpot source you use, and then we can have a discussion?

I really cannot teach stupid
Well, you seem to making a really good effort to spread stupid, even if you can't teach it, so you can reassure your handlers you're doing your best.

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 18:00

Handlers? Really? Have a word.

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 18:04

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 18:00

Handlers? Really? Have a word.

Do you have anything substantive to discuss?

sleepwouldbenice · 06/03/2025 18:13

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 17:23

My tarrifs? 😄

Still waiting for your response to questions

Are you having to double check what Truth Social tells you?

Petuniaspetal · 06/03/2025 18:14

Trumps a friend to the world? 😂

Pissed off Canada, Mexico , Cuba, Greenland, Denmark, pretty much all of Europe, at least half of his own country, and a partridge in a pear tree. On a positive note he is big buds with Putin, Kim Jung Un , Netanyahu and MBS, all renowned for their staunch support of human rights, free speech and female empowerment...so he is in like-minded company.

It sounds like you would love Merica, so if youre not there already i would hop on over there. You'll get on fine if you follow the Stepford wife formula of questioning nothing, never answering back and just do as you're told. You'll certainly not be on mumsnet expressing an opinion thats for sure! I can recommend the Project 2025 booklet, 900 pages of tips and tricks on how all of your rights will be ripped away from you.

Happy reading now.

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 18:15

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 17:45

Why don't you unhinge yourself from x or RT or whatever crackpot source you use, and then we can have a discussion?

I really cannot teach stupid
Well, you seem to making a really good effort to spread stupid, even if you can't teach it, so you can reassure your handlers you're doing your best.

yes! please tune into the BBC, Sky, CNN. The Guardian is another handy source 🤓

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 18:27

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 18:15

yes! please tune into the BBC, Sky, CNN. The Guardian is another handy source 🤓

Oh, I know. So much better to get news from sources with no fact checking or transparency or editorial oversight! I choose the brave truth warriors whose voices are stifled by the man. You know, like Russell Brand!!!

cardibach · 06/03/2025 18:29

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 18:15

yes! please tune into the BBC, Sky, CNN. The Guardian is another handy source 🤓

Those sources do have a level of bias. Most media does. What they don’t do is tell outright lies. You’d be better off with them but checking against a source with a different bias.

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 18:30

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 18:27

Oh, I know. So much better to get news from sources with no fact checking or transparency or editorial oversight! I choose the brave truth warriors whose voices are stifled by the man. You know, like Russell Brand!!!

No enthusiast of Bland myself but I am a great admirer of 'BBC Verify' 🤔

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 19:08

Your mainstream media? And they'd never lie of course!😂

Darker · 06/03/2025 19:20

Speaking for myself, this thread has too much acrimony over information or even opinion.

Please, these are difficult enough times.

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 19:24

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 18:15

yes! please tune into the BBC, Sky, CNN. The Guardian is another handy source 🤓

Have you shared you news sources yet?

Who do you trust?

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 19:24

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 19:08

Your mainstream media? And they'd never lie of course!😂

Which news sources do you trust?

cardibach · 06/03/2025 19:48

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 19:08

Your mainstream media? And they'd never lie of course!😂

Outright lies? Only some of the more obviously politically aligned ones. Reputable ones may have a bias but they don’t publish complete lies. Not good business sense apart from anything else, what with libel laws and such.

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 19:54

Probably Forbes and suchlike
Those with no agenda.

sleepwouldbenice · 06/03/2025 20:01

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 19:54

Probably Forbes and suchlike
Those with no agenda.

Funny how you are ignoring questions still. Not quite keen to really be clear about "your truth"

Errors · 06/03/2025 20:08
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Cariadm · 06/03/2025 20:08

pebbles8811 · 05/03/2025 18:45

I’m sorry I don’t blame trump for stopping funds to Ukraine and wish stamer would stop also, our country’s went to absolute shit the amount of people struggling to feed themselves and their kids aswell as heat and house themselves but yeah let’s throw BILLIONS of pounds at a fucking war we’re not even fighting. That money could be spent on wage rises, the nhs, better education in schools amongst other things but no most of you are happy were funding this. Also where’s all the news coverage it pisses me off that when this all kicked off it was thrown in our faces morning noon and night but now we hear nothing about it except Zelensky needs more money. Away tae fuck he wants to fight let him fight it without our country’s money our country has suffered enough without funding this nonsense

I read all the way through your post in the hope that you had some understanding of the way things work, about the existence of the UN and NATO and the fact that historically, several pacts have been drawn up to ensure that if the UK, or any of our ALLIES are attacked there will be guaranteed aid and support from the other member states!! 🙄

These pacts and allegiances are nothing to do with and predate the European Union, most go back as far as the end of World War 1.

Nobody would deny that the state of the country, both socially and financially, leaves a hell of a lot to be desired and I can fully understand why you would feel aggrieved at treasury funding being spent on what you perceive as 'someone else's war' but the reality is that their war is our war and visa versa!

For example if we were to be attacked or invaded, those member states would come to our aid in the same way that we're aiding Ukraine right now, we owe far more allegiance to the rest of Europe than we ever did to the USA simply because, even though they did eventually enter into World War 2 and gave Europe funding (The Marshal Plan) to rebuild and stabilise after the war this was a loan, the UK got 26% of the total loan and it took decades to repay!!

Hope this will help you to understand why it is that by helping Ukraine we're not simply 'funding this nonsense'?! 😥

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 21:50

Sky News is reporting a mass Russian drone attack' on Ukrainian port city of Odesa

AllTheTreesOfTheField · 06/03/2025 22:07

Of course they have. No intel from USA now to warn Ukraine of attacks

user9876543211 · 07/03/2025 00:02

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 19:54

Probably Forbes and suchlike
Those with no agenda.

Well Forbes is openly critical and skeptical of pretty much everything about Trump and his policies, so that's certainly interesting. The majority is behind a paywall, so I assume you're a subscriber?

Suchlike? What other outlets do you support with your subscription dollars?

sidebirds · 07/03/2025 00:18

Darker · 06/03/2025 19:20

Speaking for myself, this thread has too much acrimony over information or even opinion.

Please, these are difficult enough times.

agree 👍🏾 look at my post above with the short (4 min.) interview clip of RFK jr. giving the historical background of the conflict & see if you agree

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