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Germany has a problem

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ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 14:57

The latest in a string of attacks in Germany today. Its awful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwy3eeyq939t

What's the answer?

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ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 14:58

"Police have not specified whether the incident was deliberate or an accident - Germany has experienced several attacks in the past year. "

No idea who or what the motivation is for this attack today.

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ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 15:00

It appears specific types of attacks. Could bollards help stop cars from driving through pedestrian areas?

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"Mannheim has a carnival market on at the moment, with food stalls and fairground rides.
Germany is on high alert after a string of attacks, including deadly ones.
Last month, a person drove a car into a trade union rally in Munich and injured 30 people, while another man drove a vehicle into shoppers at a Christmas market in Magdeburg in December, killing six people."

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Jane958 · 03/03/2025 16:06

In Frankfurt there are big bollards that look like HUGE lego bricks at the entrances to any areas where festivals or the Christmas markets are held.
However, I do wish reports of these incidents would stop referring to Western Germany and Eastern Germany. Those times are long gone.

KatiMaus · 03/03/2025 16:30

I saw some concrete pillars on the footage of the Mannheim incident today, likewise, the market in Magdeburg had them, too. The nature of Karneval/Fasching means that vehicles have to be able to drive along with their displays, so it's difficult, if not impossible to secure.

I don't really know where to begin with the problems in Germany at the moment. Terrorism is certainly one of the major ones, but it just feels like a country being dismantled slowly. Karneval is a big part of life in the town I'm from and it's awful to see it being targeted in this way - so many small volunteer organisations and clubs rely on money raised. I actually find myself feeling really angry about all of this. I know there have also been a number of threats in other cities, too.

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 16:31

The bbc article is certainly milder than the picture of a woman's severed leg that is all over my X feed.
I've noticed there's not been much discussion so far on MN, but between largely France and Germany, either stabbings or vehicle attacks are averaging around two a week now, sometimes more. Always "only" one or two deaths so it never hits major headline news, just a steady drip of fear.

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:10

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 16:31

The bbc article is certainly milder than the picture of a woman's severed leg that is all over my X feed.
I've noticed there's not been much discussion so far on MN, but between largely France and Germany, either stabbings or vehicle attacks are averaging around two a week now, sometimes more. Always "only" one or two deaths so it never hits major headline news, just a steady drip of fear.

It's awful. Innocent people.

It's not discussed much. Doesn't get the headlines., yet there are more and more of these incidents occurring

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TempestTost · 03/03/2025 17:21

I think that often, people who are in some sort of mental distress follow pre-existing cultural tropes in how they express that distress. People in one culture run around and rip their clothes. The Americans seem to shoot a gun into a crowd. And maybe in Germany it is this car thing.

These start for reasons of their own initially, but it becomes a kind of learned response to express some kind of inner problem.

Overall people seem more distressed now too. I don't think it's just stuff like CoL. But we've also lost a lot of the social supports that help people manage these things. I am not thinking of stuff like state welfare or even the medical system - though that's an issue too. But stuff like increasing isolation, neighbourhoods full of people you don't know, lack of charitable or religious or other civil organizations, or really, lack of people joining them.

coldandfrostymorning23 · 03/03/2025 17:23

Lot’s of people jumping to conclusions and assuming this is terrorist related. Wait for the evidence.

Naunet · 03/03/2025 17:25

TempestTost · 03/03/2025 17:21

I think that often, people who are in some sort of mental distress follow pre-existing cultural tropes in how they express that distress. People in one culture run around and rip their clothes. The Americans seem to shoot a gun into a crowd. And maybe in Germany it is this car thing.

These start for reasons of their own initially, but it becomes a kind of learned response to express some kind of inner problem.

Overall people seem more distressed now too. I don't think it's just stuff like CoL. But we've also lost a lot of the social supports that help people manage these things. I am not thinking of stuff like state welfare or even the medical system - though that's an issue too. But stuff like increasing isolation, neighbourhoods full of people you don't know, lack of charitable or religious or other civil organizations, or really, lack of people joining them.

People? Are we going to pretend that this isn't by and large a male thing?

YearsofYears · 03/03/2025 17:29

I'm sorry to hear there's been another attack. I don't know the details.
There have been several high profile in the last year. I'm surprised there isn't a more flagging of suspects and preventative measures in a country with resources like Germany. In previous attacks there have been warning signs beforehand. They need to act sooner with these disturbed individuals.

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 17:30

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:10

It's awful. Innocent people.

It's not discussed much. Doesn't get the headlines., yet there are more and more of these incidents occurring

Why do you think it isn't discussed?
It's all over the headlines right.

But please refrain from jumping to conclusions.

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:33

coldandfrostymorning23 · 03/03/2025 17:23

Lot’s of people jumping to conclusions and assuming this is terrorist related. Wait for the evidence.

Never said it was.

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ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:34

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 17:30

Why do you think it isn't discussed?
It's all over the headlines right.

But please refrain from jumping to conclusions.

For the number of incidents, the air time is small.

Not jumped to conclusions. No idea who's responsible yet or motivation. Try reading comments above.

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ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:35

People? Are we going to pretend that this isn't by and large a male thing?

It's not German males though is it? It's an immigrant problem.
I know it makes people uncomfortable, and there's a kneejerk tendency to just go "oh, racist", but denying what everyone can see is incredibly unhelpeful.

User32459 · 03/03/2025 17:35

Surely AFD will win next time.

There's only so much they can take.

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:36

coldandfrostymorning23 · 03/03/2025 17:23

Lot’s of people jumping to conclusions and assuming this is terrorist related. Wait for the evidence.

Are they? Where? Not on here.

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ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:37

And maybe in Germany it is this car thing.

It's that or knives. They seem to vary it. The murdered toddler and man in Aschaffenburg was a knife, that one was an Afghani. Currently further plane loads of tens of thousands are arriving in Germany.

Naunet · 03/03/2025 17:38

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:35

People? Are we going to pretend that this isn't by and large a male thing?

It's not German males though is it? It's an immigrant problem.
I know it makes people uncomfortable, and there's a kneejerk tendency to just go "oh, racist", but denying what everyone can see is incredibly unhelpeful.

Well it's a male violence thing, we don't know if this man was an immigrant or not, but even if he is, just because German men kill in a different way, doesn't make it any better.
Having said that though, I do agree that we need to be brave enough to name problems, and if these attacks are always carried out by immigrant men, then we need to be able to acknowledge that.

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 17:39

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:35

People? Are we going to pretend that this isn't by and large a male thing?

It's not German males though is it? It's an immigrant problem.
I know it makes people uncomfortable, and there's a kneejerk tendency to just go "oh, racist", but denying what everyone can see is incredibly unhelpeful.

Where have you read that he's an immigrant?

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:41

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 17:39

Where have you read that he's an immigrant?

I don't believe they gave stated who it was yet

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countrygirl99 · 03/03/2025 17:44

I saw it's a German man in his 40s. History of mental health issues and not an immigrant.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 03/03/2025 17:46

According to BBC news they are saying a 40 year old German man has been arrested and they do not think anyone else is involved in the incident.
May those poor souls who lost their lives rest in peace

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 03/03/2025 17:46

countrygirl99 · 03/03/2025 17:44

I saw it's a German man in his 40s. History of mental health issues and not an immigrant.

Beat me to it

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:47

If he's not an immigrant I stand corrected, however it would be the first of a long string of incidents where that has not been the case, to the point I didn't actually hesitate jumping to that conclusion.

ginasevern · 03/03/2025 17:59

If it isn't an immigrant it will be highly unusual. The attacks in Germany and France will, not surprisingly, strengten the rise of the far right.