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Germany has a problem

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ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 14:57

The latest in a string of attacks in Germany today. Its awful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwy3eeyq939t

What's the answer?

OP posts:
meisafairy · 03/03/2025 18:02

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:47

If he's not an immigrant I stand corrected, however it would be the first of a long string of incidents where that has not been the case, to the point I didn't actually hesitate jumping to that conclusion.

You just doubled down with your sorry not sorry.
It is not always immigrants, but they are the cases you will hear about as it fits a narrative.
Anyway thoughts to all injured.

OneAquaFatball · 03/03/2025 18:03

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:35

People? Are we going to pretend that this isn't by and large a male thing?

It's not German males though is it? It's an immigrant problem.
I know it makes people uncomfortable, and there's a kneejerk tendency to just go "oh, racist", but denying what everyone can see is incredibly unhelpeful.

according to the Guardian a German citizen has been identified as the perpetrator, so on this occasion, bit too hasty.

TheCookieCrumblesThisWay · 03/03/2025 18:03

countrygirl99 · 03/03/2025 17:44

I saw it's a German man in his 40s. History of mental health issues and not an immigrant.

exactly this

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 18:15

You just doubled down with your sorry not sorry.

I wasn't saying sorry.

DBSFstupid · 03/03/2025 18:16

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:10

It's awful. Innocent people.

It's not discussed much. Doesn't get the headlines., yet there are more and more of these incidents occurring

And why doesnt it get discussed much I wonder?
Why are these incidents consistently ignored/brushed over in the MSM?

(scratches head in puzzlement)

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 18:20

ginasevern · 03/03/2025 17:59

If it isn't an immigrant it will be highly unusual. The attacks in Germany and France will, not surprisingly, strengten the rise of the far right.

Dude is hasn't even been 7 hours and you are already starting with the politics.

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 18:22

DBSFstupid · 03/03/2025 18:16

And why doesnt it get discussed much I wonder?
Why are these incidents consistently ignored/brushed over in the MSM?

(scratches head in puzzlement)

How is it brushed under the carpet?
It is widely discussed in every Media outlet, same after Munich.

ginasevern · 03/03/2025 18:24

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 18:20

Dude is hasn't even been 7 hours and you are already starting with the politics.

Starting with the politics? I'm expressing my opinion which is in fact shared (and feared) my many others. The rise of the far right is happening, in seven European countries to be precise.

Mrsdyna · 03/03/2025 18:28

Why is it acceptable to say it's a male problem but unacceptable to say it's an immigrant problem?

kattaduck · 03/03/2025 18:29

Well you do you. I am waiting for the facts to come out and in the meantime give my thoughts to victim but everyone has different priorities.

Jeeekers · 03/03/2025 18:30

We all have the problem with these “attacks” happening.
wish there was a cure for violent crazy fluckers who can’t think logically. Being a crazy murdering psycho only makes things worse for your “cause” / community.

meisafairy · 03/03/2025 18:38

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 18:15

You just doubled down with your sorry not sorry.

I wasn't saying sorry.

Do you blame every white person when a white person commits a heinous crime?

It hits the news because it fills the hateful narrative to poc.

Again the thoughts should be to the victims not hate filled, racist, angry mob mentality which breeds fear to innocent people.

BlushingBrightly · 03/03/2025 18:41

Mrsdyna · 03/03/2025 18:28

Why is it acceptable to say it's a male problem but unacceptable to say it's an immigrant problem?

It's not discussed as a male problem, even though it clearly is, regardless of race. Though even if it were it'd be 'how can we help these poor sweet souls who feel compelled to violently attack others, as we could easily be in their shoes'?

countrygirl99 · 03/03/2025 18:41

Mrsdyna · 03/03/2025 18:28

Why is it acceptable to say it's a male problem but unacceptable to say it's an immigrant problem?

Because it was a German not an immigrant.

Mrsbloggz · 03/03/2025 18:43

TempestTost · 03/03/2025 17:21

I think that often, people who are in some sort of mental distress follow pre-existing cultural tropes in how they express that distress. People in one culture run around and rip their clothes. The Americans seem to shoot a gun into a crowd. And maybe in Germany it is this car thing.

These start for reasons of their own initially, but it becomes a kind of learned response to express some kind of inner problem.

Overall people seem more distressed now too. I don't think it's just stuff like CoL. But we've also lost a lot of the social supports that help people manage these things. I am not thinking of stuff like state welfare or even the medical system - though that's an issue too. But stuff like increasing isolation, neighbourhoods full of people you don't know, lack of charitable or religious or other civil organizations, or really, lack of people joining them.

I agree with your post.

AnnaMagnani · 03/03/2025 18:45

Germany's problem, from my experience of a Christmas market holiday, is that they have near zero concept of security.

Wander in and out, loads of places you could drive a car up, no bag checks, lots of people crammed in together with no management of numbers or avoiding a crush.

People drive cars into crowds in Germany because Germany doesn't yet appear to have got it's act together on safety, or because Germans are prioritising free unmonitored association higher.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 03/03/2025 18:48

countrygirl99 · 03/03/2025 18:41

Because it was a German not an immigrant.

Just because someone has German citizenship does not mean they are also not an immigrant.

GreyAreas · 03/03/2025 18:48

What does 'intervening earlier' when there are signs look like though? You can monitor, or you can offer help. What kind of monitoring would be adequate without being heavy handed, and cover enough risky people but be affordable? What help can be offered and what happens if someone doesn't want it or comply with it? I think we end up in a cycle of collecting and filtering more chatter, deciding we need the powers to do more listening in, and de facto taking less action because.theres too much to act on and we're not very good at doing it.

Porcuporpoise · 03/03/2025 18:48

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:47

If he's not an immigrant I stand corrected, however it would be the first of a long string of incidents where that has not been the case, to the point I didn't actually hesitate jumping to that conclusion.

Yeah well, that's prejudice for you, no need to wait for facts before broadcasting.

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 18:51

ToBeOrNotToBee · 03/03/2025 18:48

Just because someone has German citizenship does not mean they are also not an immigrant.

No idea about current car attack/accident but previous attacks as follows:

"Police have not confirmed if the incident was a deliberate attack.
But, Germany has endured a number of violent attacks over the last year, which have left several people dead and hundreds injured.
Nine months ago, also in Mannheim and only a few blocks away from where Monday's attack is believed to have taken place, an Afghan man stabbed several people, killing a policeman.
Then, in August, another knife attack left eight people injured and three dead in Solingen. The Syrian man who was charged with the crime was suspected of links with the Islamic State terrorist group.
In December a man rammed a car into a crowd at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, leaving six dead and 299 injured. A 50-year-old Saudi psychiatrist was arrested.
In January, a 28-year-old Afghan asylum seeker attacked a group of small children in a park in the Bavarian town of Aschaffenburg, killing a two-year-old child and a passer-by who tried to help the boy.
And in February, a 24-year-old Afghan asylum seeker drove a car into a crowd, injuring more than two dozen people. A mother and child later died from their injuries.
"

Two people died today

Aftermath of Mannheim attack

Police officer injured in Mannheim stabbing dies

The 29-year-old was one of six people to be wounded by the attacker, who was detained at the scene.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nn8nl8gv3o

OP posts:
YearsofYears · 03/03/2025 18:54

AnnaMagnani · 03/03/2025 18:45

Germany's problem, from my experience of a Christmas market holiday, is that they have near zero concept of security.

Wander in and out, loads of places you could drive a car up, no bag checks, lots of people crammed in together with no management of numbers or avoiding a crush.

People drive cars into crowds in Germany because Germany doesn't yet appear to have got it's act together on safety, or because Germans are prioritising free unmonitored association higher.

Absolutely. They don't get it and don't implement lessons learned.

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 18:55

Yeah well, that's prejudice for you, no need to wait for facts before broadcasting.

It's just pattern recognition.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 03/03/2025 18:55

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 17:47

If he's not an immigrant I stand corrected, however it would be the first of a long string of incidents where that has not been the case, to the point I didn't actually hesitate jumping to that conclusion.

I.e "I'm a bigot but I stand by it" is what that post is saying.

Jeeekers · 03/03/2025 19:06

I like to read BBC coverage … the carefully chosen words. I use BBC as an indicator - the more the use words to not say immigrant, or big announcement “German citizen”or longer they take to report an item other outlets are covering … the more likely it is a newcomer - citizen or not.

ArtTheClown · 03/03/2025 19:08

I.e "I'm a bigot but I stand by it" is what that post is saying.

That's fine, if you've got some counter-data to prove that what I'm saying is bigotry rather than a pattern of offending, I'd be happy to see that.

If I were claiming that all immigrants were terrorist attackers, that to my mind would be bigotry. But I'm not.