To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

@Biscuitsnotcookies they certainly have the raw materials and can probably unearth their how to manuals. It's building the processing and manufacturing facilities that will take time but they are an extremely resourceful country.

Putin hasn't succeeded because of American help, once that goes...

Then it will be the Baltic states and people like you will ensure we stand back and do nothing.

My cousin was killed in NI, my uncle, who i didn't know, in WW2, both deaths devasted our family but whats the choice? allow terrorists to rule? allow the UK/Europe to become part of a re born USSR ?

Atm Ukraine is doing the dying, we are expected to provide the munitions, so all we can hope is people like Starmer and Macron can talk Trump round.

Putin will only stop once he realises he cannot win, he'll gain land and keep Crimea but that maybe the cost of peace but it wont happen through capitulation.

You realise they are cheering for Ukraine not Russia?

You are just another old, ignorant pos who thinks politics should be the same as it used to be during the Iron Curtain. You and the other sad fucks on this thread, who imagine yourselves better than the people who try to protect Europe from Russia, should go fkc yourselves.

Exactly, if they ever decommissioned fully in the first place….

If we wanted to stand up to Putin then we needed it to do it in 2014 when Crimea was annexed, or Abkhazia before that.

Where were all the armchair generals and history lecturers then ?

Mainly turning a blind eye whilst enjoying warm homes and jobs dependent on cheap gas.

And a fair few making like bandits, selling them cars and iPhones.

We are not the heroes we like to think we are. We only finally made a stand against Russian aggression and started sanctioning people because it was politically expedient for people like Boris. A welcome distraction from domestic woes.

Sadly, Ukraine is lost and the OP is correct.

Whether they negotiate for peace or continue to fight, we can’t help them.

We now need to strengthen NATO to ensure Putin remains deterred.

I don’t agree at all. Ukraine is certainly not lost. Russia have run out of weapons, soldiers and resources, and we can at this point, as a continent, determine the end of this particular war with enough political will.

Perhaps you and the other poster who replied similarly could now answer the same questions about the part of Ukraine occupied by Russia?

What, you mean the bits of Ukraine Russia has illegally annexed this century? Well, I wouldn't expect actual Ukrainians to hang about in enemy occupied territory, so obviously the Russian population is going to be larger in those regions now. Anyway, Putin doesn't just want the regions he's already stolen, does he? He wants ALL of Ukraine. And more.

And do you concede that the Russian population of Ukraine is about 20%, not the ridic figure you claimed earlier?

🤣 who doesn’t?

Give Putin a bell and talk him round

Indeed. And some aren't. And the EU definitely isn't. The poster I was replying to was specifically moaning about the EU organisation not making contributions, not countries who also happen to be in the EU.

why does Trump want Ukraine’s minerals? At a guess with those minerals in American hands, China’s economic chokehold weakens, Europe comes crawling for a piece of the pie, and the U.S. gets to dictate the terms of tomorrow’s economy with the rare earth minerals.

The clue is in the word “union” and you have seen the list of the European countries who are in the EU.

@IcecreamWhatSandwich
Google is your friend.
But HTH with some of it. Russians form 48% of population of Donetsk, which Putin annexed so even here your logic is flawed.
Do you know anything at all about the history of Eastern Europe and USSR?
It was a long term strategy to resettle Russians to other republics in order to ‘dilute’ the ethnic populations. This was done to keep them under control.

Don't be ridiculous

Lol. That's what they thought about Hitler. By the time they realised, he was much stronger having taken resources from the countries he invaded.

It's naive in the extreme to think he will stop there.

And then when the first missile strikes uk soil we wonder why on earth we got involved

This makes no sense. If Ukraine can't be defended, neither can the rest of Europe. If we can strengthen NATO then we should do so immediately.

You're being rude. The poster I was replying to wasn't complaining about member states not paying their dues. They were very specifically criticising the EU for not pay its dues. The EU doesn't have any dues as it is not a member of NATO. Having the word 'union' in its name doesn't change that or make it a member of NATO. It's very strange that you think it does.

The US is not out, whilst there is a rift it will be sorted out especially with pressure form NATO and EU leaders on Zelensky to get Trump back on, and the likes of Macron and Starmer have a role to play in bringing them back together. There is a lot of back channel conversations going on right now and I'm hopeful they can meet again soon and sort it out. Politics especially geopolitics can be brutal and messy, the only difference is we got to see it live instead of behind closes doors.

Unfortunately Zelensky and Ukraine need the US so he will have to bury his pride and work things out to end the war.

Having said that the likes of Britain will still be involved to help maintain the peace with US backing. And don't forget Ukraine still needs billions more to rebuild, so expect more funding from the UK, EU and US to help them rebuild. Trump has pushed for the mineral deal to help fund the spending and cover the US, I don't know what the UK will do, maybe loan the money to Ukraine or gift or a combination of both.

@Ilovelifeverymuch
No, Trump has pushed for the mineral deal to help himself. The same reason why he is banging on about Greenland. He figured Ukraine will be an easier target as it is already under attack. If he wanted to help, he would have offered Ukraine security in exchange for the minerals.

Trump and Putin will get those resources either by force or by getting a deal with Zelenskyy. Sadly, I think he needs to take the deal now. It will save many people's lives. But I don't like the way Trump gaslit him into feeling guilty for not doing it. It is giving in to a dictator. The way Trump glossed over the fact that Putin started the war and has been continually attacking Ikraine since 2014 and breaking agreements was despicable. On watching the interview again, I've concluded he actually didn't understand what Zelenskyy was saying because he isn't very bright

I have no idea what he is pushing the mineral deal for himself means? You mean he plans to steal the proceeds for his personal gain? Makes no sense. Whilst I don't agree with his approach, he has been consistent about the US not continuing to pay for other countries so I don't get how he is supposed to steal $500bn worth of minerals for himself. The minerals are critical for the US to compete with China and he has been very vocal about bringing back US manufacturing capability so again whilst I don't agree with his approach saying he wants the minerals for himself makes no sense.

Greenland, this has actually been a long running policy option for the US, he has only been more vocal about it. Again what do you mean he wants it for himself? As his personal land?

"Internal discussions within the United States government about acquiring Greenland notably occurred in 1867, 1910, 1946, 1955, 2019 and 2025 and acquisition has been advocated by American secretaries of state William H. Seward and James F. Byrnes, privately by Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, and publicly by ..."

The same way many people only hear about his issue with NATO funding because he has been more vocal but Obama Biden etc all had the same concerns which they raised multiple times but they were just more diplomatic about it.

why does Trump want Ukraine’s minerals? At a guess with those minerals in American hands, China’s economic chokehold weakens, Europe comes crawling for a piece of the pie, and the U.S. gets to dictate the business terms to other companies or counties with the rare earth minerals.