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696 replies

BackAgainSlimLady · 24/02/2025 12:29

Single cucumbers from the supermarket come wrapped in plastic.. but single courgettes don’t?

if you ask me.. courgettes have a slightly more fragile skin that cucumber.. so why the lack of protection?

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TagSplashMaverick · 24/02/2025 13:40

BrainWontWorkAnymore · 24/02/2025 13:38

How the flipping heck are pancakes (as in Shrove Tuesday crepes) bloody flapjacks?!?!

Americans call scones ‘biscuits’ too. Absolutely moronic. 😂 (I have American family before anyone comes at me).

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 24/02/2025 13:40

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 12:55

YANBU. But I had to google 'courgettes'. Very strange word to use. Not sure why you can't say zucchini which is what it is.

This is a UK based site. We say courgette. We also say aubergine.

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 13:41

Oh fuck, what have I started?

BeaAndBen · 24/02/2025 13:41

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2025 13:25

Now I want to know if anglophone Canadians use the french veg words Brits use or the alternatives?

Zucchini. But where I lived had a huge Italian population, so that may have been a factor. Only learnt the Brits say courgette like the French when I emigrated.

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 13:43

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 13:19

Its not American English. Considering the words are not only used in America but I would suggest most of the world, bar the UK.

Zucchini is Italian. I suppose if you are non-aboriginal Australian, descended of settlers, or American and the same, then you speak English but with additional words taken from other European settler languages and sometimes the indiginous languages. In the case of courgettes it seems in America and Aus people have settled on the Italian word for courgette, which is zucchini. I'm sure there are plenty of other nouns where that is not the case and you use the same word as in English, or a word from another language.

In Aus you call sweet potatoes Kumara which is what the Maori call them, I believe. That doesn't mean sweet potato is wrong. You call aubergines eggplants the same as Americans, but Italians call them melanzane.

By your logic, if zucchini is the only correct way then you should be calling your 'eggplants' melanzane.

EleanorReally · 24/02/2025 13:43

just deserts
well i never
the punishment that one deserves

KimberleyClark · 24/02/2025 13:43

Bigearringsbigsmile · 24/02/2025 13:11

No it's not!!

Yes it is. I didn’t know either

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/just-deserts-or-just-desserts#:~:text=Despite%20its%20pronunciation%2C%20just%20deserts,but%20pronounced%20like%20the%20sweet

PoltergeistsStartLowKey · 24/02/2025 13:43

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 12:55

YANBU. But I had to google 'courgettes'. Very strange word to use. Not sure why you can't say zucchini which is what it is.

In Britain we call them courgettes.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2025 13:44

Americans call scones ‘biscuits’ too. Absolutely moronic. 😂 (I have American family before anyone comes at me).

Tbf it's pretty odd we call biscuits 'biscuits' as they're usually only cooked once. Unlike biscotti.Grin

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 24/02/2025 13:44

BrainWontWorkAnymore · 24/02/2025 13:38

How the flipping heck are pancakes (as in Shrove Tuesday crepes) bloody flapjacks?!?!

I was wondering that!

On the subject of crisps/chips I remember ordering a burger and chips when we were in the US and being disgusted that I got a burger and a bloody packet of crisps!

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 13:44

I apologise for making the thread get derailed.

MegTheForgetfulCat · 24/02/2025 13:46

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2025 13:44

Americans call scones ‘biscuits’ too. Absolutely moronic. 😂 (I have American family before anyone comes at me).

Tbf it's pretty odd we call biscuits 'biscuits' as they're usually only cooked once. Unlike biscotti.Grin

Unless we think we can get away with exempting them from VAT, in which case we call them "cakes" however many times they've been cooked!

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2025 13:46

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 13:44

I apologise for making the thread get derailed.

Tbh I found the diversion much more interesting than the original question

DressOrSkirt · 24/02/2025 13:46

I get cucumbers from a local farm without plastic and they never go bad too quickly.

@WillIEverBeOk
How have you ever not heard the alternatives though?
I say courgette but know zucchini is the same thing. Same for aubergine/eggplant and coriander/cilantro.

custardpyjamas · 24/02/2025 13:47

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 12:55

YANBU. But I had to google 'courgettes'. Very strange word to use. Not sure why you can't say zucchini which is what it is.

Zucchini is a type of courgette, not all courgettes are zucchinis. If you grow them in the garden you can get various types of courgette seeds including Zucchini, some yellow ones as well.

Taytoface · 24/02/2025 13:48

Iwishyoudstay · 24/02/2025 12:36

I agree with pp.

The plastic wrapping on the cucumber is specifically there to help preserve it in a decent condition for longer because I would suggest most people don't use a whole cucumber in one go.

Whereas courgettes tend to be bought for immediate use.

I first read that as courgettes tend to be bought for intimate use😂

Sunshineandoranges · 24/02/2025 13:49

Why in the uk are courgettes sold by weight but cucumbers per unit? Also as there are many varieties of bananas, is there any country where people buy them by choosing a variety as for e,g I do when buying potatoes?

FeralWoman · 24/02/2025 13:49

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2025 13:34

Thanks @FeralWoman

Greek and Italian influences don't explain 'eggplant', Italian is melanzana and Greek is similar. A quick search suggests that's more like 'apple plant' (mela).

A bit of googling suggests that the eggplants that made it to Australia, Canada and USA were white and yellow versions so they did indeed look like egg plants when the produce was small.

ODFOx · 24/02/2025 13:49

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 13:41

Oh fuck, what have I started?

To be fair it was the tone of your message that made people snap back.

BrainWontWorkAnymore · 24/02/2025 13:49

custardpyjamas · 24/02/2025 13:47

Zucchini is a type of courgette, not all courgettes are zucchinis. If you grow them in the garden you can get various types of courgette seeds including Zucchini, some yellow ones as well.

Edited

Ooh, this would make a brilliant Venn diagram!

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 24/02/2025 13:51

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 12:55

YANBU. But I had to google 'courgettes'. Very strange word to use. Not sure why you can't say zucchini which is what it is.

We are divided by our language so often! Apparently you have gravy on ginger snaps and custard creams (Both biscuits here) 😮:

ifionlyhadacat · 24/02/2025 13:52

FeralWoman · 24/02/2025 13:23

As an Australian it’s our King’s English too. We’re part of the empire.

Zucchini, eggplant, rocket and coriander in Australia. Lots of Greek and Italian immigrants came to Australia in the 1970s I think. I’m guessing that they introduced zucchinis and eggplants to the country so we use their names for them.

However, the Italian word for aubergine is melanzana

ChessorBuckaroo · 24/02/2025 13:52

AngelicKaty · 24/02/2025 13:37

😂😂😂I'm guessing you're in the US? Courgette is a French word. The most significant influences on the English language are French and Latin; both contributing roughly the same amount to the English vocabulary due to historical events like the Norman Conquest of England which introduced French vocabulary. (Indeed, the UK owned parts of France from the 12th century to the 16th century and French was spoken at the English Court). We use many French words in the UK, particularly in areas like law, government, and cuisine - hence using Courgette for this vegetable.

Is it true that the ou and re spelling is French?

So colour, favourite, and centre, calibre.

...and that the English as a matter of respect did not discard the French influence but retained it? (so no dropping the u or switched to er ending). Think I read about this once, but no idea if it's true.

I'm Irish and we use the same English as those whose invented it. Always think it's bloody cheeky when a non English person tries to correct the English in regard to their own language.

Travelodge · 24/02/2025 13:52

WillIEverBeOk · 24/02/2025 12:55

YANBU. But I had to google 'courgettes'. Very strange word to use. Not sure why you can't say zucchini which is what it is.

Because Mumsnet is a British site and in the UK they are called courgettes.

And what you probably call "arugula" is actually rocket.

And the "h" is pronounced at the beginning of the word "herb".

And "biscuits with gravy" conjures up a revolting image of custard creams with Bisto.

Any more questions?

Panama2 · 24/02/2025 13:52

Just curious in the UK we have prawns = shrimps in other parts of the world but we also have shrimps smaller than prawns and called well shrimps.

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