to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

[nameey]

Just read that the 30 year old singer Avery has been diagnosed with osteoporosis due to Ozempic use. Looks like this could be the start of many conditions coming out.

I know Ozempic is incredibly helpful for a lot of people but losing weight but then having osteoporosis does not seem worth it.

AIBU?

@Twiglets1 you said in your last but one post that 'So I’m not really interested in anything you’ve got to say because you just want a row.'

Then you respond on your next post, to the same poster within 15mins 'Ooh well if you were on your college debating team you must be great at it!
Especially the way you keep repeating yourself about “the feelz” which makes you sound very mature 😂'.

Just wondering who's looking for a row here?

Well you & Araminta are both looking for a row based on previous comments and I’m just finding some of the comments funny now particularly the reference to being on a college debating team. I’m wondering was it Oxford or Cambridge?

The point about the debating team was clearly not intended as a claim to authority in debating but simply to make the point that when attempting to debate it's necessary to have some knowledge of the subject matter. And to understand what you know and what you don't know.

Oh I think it was but as you put things politely @SilenceInside Im happy to agree to disagree amicably.

Thank you, yes we were very successful. But not Oxbridge, just my sixth form college team. But that doesn't lessen the fact you cannot successfully debate something about which you know little about.

I've used 'the feelz' because I think it most accurately describes the amorphous nature of your 'debate' which just doesn't consist of anything useful or informed.

Yes, of course Mounjaro has the potential to be dangerous if used incorrectly or by a person it's not clinically intended for. But so does paracetamol, cough syrup or even Strepsils. In enough quantity pure spring water can be dangerous and poison you.

But it's equally dangerous and poisonous to scaremonger in such ways that the very people, who could most benefit from using Mounjaro, are frightened away by reading uninformed dross.

Why are people banging on about "debating" and giving pointers on poor "debating" technique? This is not a debate. It is a discussion thread on AIBU.

I'm still waiting for someone to get back to me about my earlier point:

There are 52 pages worth of threads on the WLI board. That's approximately 2,600 threads.

Why can't the odd post on another board discuss things that aren't entirely pom-pom shaking cheerleading for this brand or another?

It's just factual that there are some problems occurring for some users. For - as I have been told on this thread - "rational" and "well-informed" people, I am surprised that they are so put out about any faintly negative commentary, around facts they would be aware of if they actually were well-informed.

Because this thread is designed to be deliberately provocative.

A. It confuses the legitimate use of the drug and the illegitimate abuse of this drug.
B. It talks about the side effects of drugs like they are novel to this class of drugs.

Both point a and b have been adressed in detail.

We are now onto well we just don't know.

So follow through that argument. If the drugs are in really dangerous ( despite the decades of research on them), far more so then other compounds on the market then surely we shouldt take them?

If you find any faintly negative commentary on WLI so upsetting and inflammatory, surely it would be more sensible to hide the thread.

Every thread on this topic (outside the WLI injections board, with its 2,600 other threads, presumably mostly all pro-WLI, I gather) is so heavily policed.

I never said I found it upsetting I said it was provocative and designed to spread fear and misunderstanding about a life saving medication in a way that is not about other similar drugs.

So I will call out a poster who is spreading fear with no scientific backing responding with the actual medical information pertaining to the drug.

Or do you perceive that only people who agree with you and the OP have the right to post?

As I said what follow through do you expect from warning others about the ' dangers' of this particular drug?

It is very clear that only pro-WLI comments are allowable. I think, on a discussion forum, we should be allowed to discuss the pros and cons. But any thread on this topic that I have noticed is heavily policed, and shouted down.

I think to a degree but that’s often a response to people posting things that are downright wrong. I think people who take WL medication legitimately largely are aware that, again like all drugs, there are some potential rare serious side effects. And obviously more may come to light. But the debate on threads about them is often very ill-informed on the ‘anti’ side.

And on this thread I’m still struggling to see what the discussion is? Not meaning to be provocative but yes, more side effects may emerge, of course, but based on current research and medical information the drugs are perfectly safe for the vast majority of users when prescribed and supplied by a legitimate pharmacy. All other arguments about their safety are talking about abuse of the drug, which is a different discussion.

Aw bless … your sixth form college team.

You’re just repeating the same points over & over again. I would love it if you could move away from mentioning “the feelz” on almost every post to me especially as I never said anything about “the feelz” so it’s a bit bizarre.

It’s not my debate because I didn’t start the thread but I did think the title worthy of a response… apparently that isn’t allowed without expecting to be attacked? The vast majority of the discussion on this thread certainly hasn’t been about trying to “frighten away” the people who could most benefit from using Mounjaro. Speaking for myself I have explicitly stated that for obese people I think the benefits outweigh the risks. I’m more concerned about people starting it who aren’t actually obese or very overweight so it’s good that private pharmacies have been forced to tighten up their practices.

Being fat caused me more problems than mounjaro ever did, hip and knee replacements, a DVT, high blood pressure.
Losing weight was the best thing I ever did.

So you’re posing a different question to the one at the top of this thread? Which is in itself relating to abuse of Mounjaro.

I have successfully lost a lot of weight on MJ with zero side effects and was at a weight that saw me easily within the prescription guidelines, but I know I’m not the only person in my situation who entirely agrees with you that it’s too easy to get round the current online prescribing practices. It’s moderated on here so less of it goes on but the rest of social media is full of people swapping tips on it. I would love to see it cracked down on. In practical terms it’s very hard to do and even in-person checks would rely on how on the ball the assessors were.

But this should be a different thread with a different title. Starting off a thread with a post about someone with an eating disorder abusing the drug and having a pre-existing condition doesn’t set the tone for a genuinely useful discussion.

I haven't shouted you down I have disagreed with you while providing scintific links to the actual effects of the drug.

Why is the concern about these drugs only presented when this drug was rolled out to an obese population and not to the millions of diabetics on it?

There is a stigmatisation of obesity in our society weather you admit it or not. This has now been extended to WLI and is incredibly prevent on threads like this that are as I said designed to be provocative.

So the follow through argument to the "concern" in this thread is we shouldn't be using them for this purpose. It ignore the fact that obesity is a disease that has a massive detrimental effect on the body of those individuals. Instead of acknowledging that we view obesity as purely a cosmetic issue rather then a medical one we use terms like concern. It is a form of microagression as when I follow through the argument to don't use them you won't outright admit that that's your motivation.

People saying there’s no discussion to be had or they can’t see what there is to debate have missed the fact that a proper discussion wasn’t allowed to develop.It immediately turned into a mud flinging exercise where anyone who even mentioned concerns was personally attacked to the extent that most left the thread quickly.

If people post things you believe are wrong, the point of a debate is to explain why you think they’re wrong and if your points are persuasive enough maybe they will change their opinion. In reality, no one knows the answer to the question posed - whether more negative effects will come to light in future- so everyone should feel entitled to express an opinion.

I’ve seen quite a lot of posts on this thread setting out pretty clear medical facts though around the current understanding of the drugs. I haven’t seen a single poster who wanted an open and free discussion of whatever the real point of this thread is meant to be really engage with those. If an argument is about persuading someone with an opposite viewpoint, how much of that is happening (with proper facts, not Daily Mail stories) from those with concerns? It’s like arguing with mist.

I agree with all of this. I suspect a lot of people feel that obesity is not a medical condition but more a lifestyle choice that people make and that it can and should be fixed by lifestyle changes. This completely ignores the vast amount of data which shows that weight loss via diet and exercise alone is not achievable or sustainable for most obese people. Otherwise there'd be no need for WLI.

This thread has moved a long way beyond the original question posed. I’ve tried to bring it back to the original point several times but have largely given up because it seemed like others on here just wanted to rage at me & others and attack us for our perceived ignorance because we dared say anything negative at all about weight loss drugs.

I’m glad to find someone who agrees with me that MJ has been too easy to get hold off (less so now hopefully since pharmacies have been forced to tighten up their practices). I agree that really it should be discussed under a different thread title but this thread has gone severely off track many times.

And as for the original question @Aintnobodygottime I said early on that I thought more negative effects are likely to come out. That is not specific to weight loss drugs but probably most drugs that start being used much more widely in society.

And it’s only my opinion I don’t claim to have any special knowledge on the subject
( praying I don’t get “the feelz” screeched at me again).

Of course it's because they don't want to know or acknowledge the negatives.

While simultaneously telling other posters they are ill-informed and know nothing about these drugs.

Not a single person on this thread has said that there are no potential side effects to these drugs. Literally not a single person.

What people have said is that if you are obese, the potential side effects are outweighed by the risks of developing obesity related illnesses, which kill 30,000 people a year in the UK.

I would say pretty well everyone on this thread agrees that they are a great development for people who are seriously obese.

And no one has said there are no positives. Or that everyone will suffer bad side effects.

So why it had to get so nasty towards anyone who expressed the slightest negative thought about there may be more negative side effects to come out in future or some people are getting hold of weight loss drugs that shouldn’t be, I’ve no idea.