to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

[nameey]

Just read that the 30 year old singer Avery has been diagnosed with osteoporosis due to Ozempic use. Looks like this could be the start of many conditions coming out.

I know Ozempic is incredibly helpful for a lot of people but losing weight but then having osteoporosis does not seem worth it.

AIBU?

I must admit I don't normally post on AIBU so have inadvertently stepped into a part of Mumsnet I probably won't return to!

I'm used to sharing opinions on other parts of Mumsnet that don't get as heated or personal.

I think a big part of the interest in these drugs is that they are being talked about a lot in the media at the moment - and not just the Daily Mail! - so people are aware of the issues around them whereas treatment for heart issues, Alzheimers etc aren't so much in the public eye.

I would say alcohol addiction is another emotive subject and there are lots of debates about it for example is it a disease or not which equally people can have very strong opinions about.

I’m sorry but you’re taking things very personally.

Not everyone is there to get at you, to judge YOU or your positions.
That was the point of my comment fgs!
And yet you took it as a judgement in itself 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I know not everyone is there to get at me but enough people were being hostile to myself, @nameey @lettyraines & others that MNHQ had to get involved and remind people to be civil then delete lots of posts for breaking the talk guidelines.

I'm not saying they were your posts they weren't.

They're the same drugs though, regardless of what specifically they've been prescribed for, for the individual.There are endless threads like this one, by people pretending that they're really worried what'll happen to the fatties (I am one) as a result of using these 'new' drugs. But not one thread worrying about the effect the exact same drugs might be having on diabetics.
When it comes down to it none of these weekly threads has anything to do with concerns about the side effects of medication that the OPs aren't ever taking themselves and everything do with the OPs unspoken opinions on obese people.

The problem is Ozempic it is how it is used - just like all drugs and alcohol it is an end user and how that end user is getting that is the issue

it is clearly being used to get to a weight that isn’t a good idea

They have been used by diabetics for a lot longer of course so it's not a new thing whereas so many people using weight loss drugs is a relatively new thing and of course it is often in the media about this and that celebrity losing weight (often in America) and speculation about whether they are or aren't using weight loss drugs and often of course they weren't overweight to start with by most people's standards. So then people do start questioning how are people of normal BMI getting prescribed these drugs & other questions.

Anyway, I didn't know there had been endless threads, I just clicked on this one as it came up on active threads not because it's an issue I normally post about. Though I do have some interest in the subject as tried Ozempic in the past as mentioned early on. If people think threads are being started just as wind ups then the best thing is probably to avoid them?

Most threads in AIBU are intended as wind ups though, they're often intentionally controversial or emotive to spark lots of responses. You're saying that people should be advised not to participate in threads that are about something they know and have personal experience of, where other people who are ignorant of the facts should be left to post ill informed and inaccurate comments. After all, that's why you posted, because you felt you had personal experience due to using Ozempic in the past.

You are correct, as others have said already on this thread, that these topics are media driven. Click bait attention grabbing headlines in the usual kinds of online news websites drive the ill informed commenting.

There’s been an interesting switcheroo on MN.

For years anyone saying that being overweight is fine and they are comfortable with how they look has been met with ‘but it’s SOOO UNHEALTHY, think of our DNHS collapsing under the demands of obese people’.

And now it’s apparently that people using weight loss drugs are stupidly using a medication that might have side effects for sheer vanity, not for any pressing health reasons.

As I said before I'm not that familiar with AIBU and think I will stick with light hearted ones in future.

Obviously it's 100% up to people which threads they participate in. But this one seemed to bring out a lot of negative emotions in many contributors so yes if the title of a thread made me feel upset/angry and I felt like it had only been started as a wind up then I would avoid it.

I think that you're attributing anger and upset to what is actually mild irritation and annoyance. I hide threads that overly anger or upset me. This one is not one of those.

I also think it's reasonable and acceptable to react with annoyance to people posting ignorant and judgemental comments, and not being interested in discussing properly why their comments might be ill informed and judgemental.

They really aren't being used 'like all drugs and alcohol' by most users, but like the regulated, prescription medication that that are! The handful, like Lottie Moss or Avery, who get hold of them illegally and at far too low a starting BMI are the ones making headlines but they're drastically removed from the average user.

Fair enough you are just mildly irritated and this thread hasn't affected you greatly. But some people did apparently get incensed by it to the extent of having a load of posts deleted by MNHQ for breaking their guidelines re personal insults.

I think if people make comments we feel to be wrong then it's better to try to educate them than jump to calling them "ignorant" which is an insult in itself. And if we feel people are being judgemental then it's better to call them out on it and say that comment you just made sounds judgemental so if their intentions were good they can explain that wasn't what they meant or apologise.

Sorry that is what I was trying to say that it is being misused by celebrities and that is where it is coming from

seeing my post there should be an isn’t in the first line! The problem isn’t Ozempic but how it is used

as a prescribed drug for health it is amazing

being used for vanity it is bound to cause issues

@SilenceInside and @PinkArt I know I have said it before but I just wanted to thank you personally again for always dealing with these threads in a respectful and patient way. I gave up a long time ago, so thank you for always defending this life changing medication.

Before I started taking MJ, I noticed the threads about other things that end up in a mess. Users defending their SEN children after streams of people say ignorant things like 'it wasn't like this in my day' or 'you obviously haven't been hard enough on them'. Or the terrible racist threads, which I won't expand on.

I will be honest and say that I didn't really take it seriously enough. WLI is obviously not as serious as that but now I understand how these parents/people must feel. When you're the 'minority' it is a constant struggle to be believed and to have your side of the story heard. I now understand that and I get it.

MJ has not only pretty much cured my endocrine condition that has led to my obesity but it has taught me compassion. I've learned quite a big life lesson that I can never judge anyone else ever again because I have never been in their position.

I'm so sorry in advance if any of that isn't quite right or I have worded it wrong, and I am not equating WLI to other much more serious matters but I just wanted to get it out.

Thank you both again.

Calling a comment ignorant is not calling the person making the comment ignorant. It's used in the sense of uninformed or lacking knowledge, ignorant of the facts. I have not and don't call people ignorant as an insult. Ditto with "judgemental" which is used in reference to comments not people, and I would explain why rather than use it as an attempt to terminate discussion.

I have been called ignorant on this thread (as opposed to being told my comment shows ignorance) and other insults mostly now deleted by MNHQ.

If you've had no posts deleted then you are have participated politely in the discussion so that's fine. However, this thread did get out of hand for a while yesterday which is why I absented myself from it.

I know how the thread went earlier on, a post being weird and rude towards me was deleted. I just report stuff that breaks the talk guidelines and continue discussing what doesn't.

You do know that the definition of 'ignorant' is to be unaware and to lack knowledge, don't you? It doesn't mean 'stupid'.

Several posters on this thread have clearly demonstrated that they lack knowledge of Mounjaro and are totally unaware of how it is used and prescribed.

In the meantime, there are reports like this recent one:

"Around 82 people have died after using weight-loss and diabetes jabs such as Ozempic and Mounjaro. Up to the end of January, 22 died after taking meds for weight loss, and another 60 for Type 2 diabetes, according to the official Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)."

And then there's this poor woman:

Approved weight-loss drug contributed to UK nurse’s death, report says | Health | The Guardian

Is the press allowed to mention such things, or is that "judging"?

You can mention them. The point you might be trying to make using these two points might be judgemental, although it's unclear if you're making a point with them.

In response to the reports of deaths of people who were taking these medications, it's not surprising to me that if hundreds of thousands of people are taking them, that some will die whilst taking them. You absolutely cannot use this reported data as evidence that those deaths were caused by the medication they were taking. You don't know cause of death, or contributory cause of death in any of those cases. You would need to do some significant analysis with a lot more information to draw any meaningful conclusions as to whether GLP-1s were causing these deaths at a rate higher than you would expect at the general population level.

The case of the nurse who died has already been mentioned on this thread, two days ago.

I know that the way the word “ignorant “ has been used in this thread has been synonymous with stupid.

And that you’ve been one of the people most interested in provoking an argument rather than engaging in a proper discussion for example accusing me of “wittering on” and lacking the ability for critical analysis plus the rude things you said about the pharmacist who was perfectly polite in sharing her point of view. So I’m not really interested in anything you’ve got to say because you just want a row.

I actually have a huge issue with the way science is portrayed in the media. Invariably it is one sided which headings that are " captive" ie. Click bait. A good example of this was the link between the MMR and autism. These were headline news flashed on the front page of every paper. The retraction of the scientific papers and the subsequent thousands of papers that disagreed with Wakefield were buried in the middle of the newspapers. The media contributed hugely to the modern refusal of vaccines which is causing the return of diseases like measles putting those unable to get vaccines for medical reasons at greater risk.

Of course there are deaths with people on the drug. There are millions of people taking this drug. The drug does not stop death but unless you go through every case the extent to which the drug played a role is not clear.
If a patient with cancer dies while taking chemo do we say that the chemo killed them or the cancer?

Most of the deaths from MJ were in patients with diabetes where there were clearly other contributing factors.

The link to pancreatitis is a interesting one. It was highlighted in clinical trials as a potential serious side effect however this is where the more long term studies are usefull. In the more recent data sets the link to pancreatitis is not seen.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03412-w/figures/5
This longitudinal study mentioned looks at a quatern of a million patients and found no increase risk.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720500/
This paper is a metanalysis so it takes the data from all the papers compares an effect, so in this case pancreatitis, and sees if there is an increase in incidence when on the drug. There is none.

What does cause pancreatitis is obesity.

Actually no I don't want a row and last time I checked I haven't had any of my posts deleted. I have stated time and again that I am very keen to discuss the uses of Mounjaro etc al. But I am only interested in a proper discussion with people who have informed knowledge about this drug and/or personal, direct experience of using it.

I do not see any point in vague observations that are based on nothing more than how it makes you 'feelz'. I was on my college's debating team and, trust me, you cannot debate when the other side is so uninformed.

Ooh well if you were on your college debating team you must be great at it!

Especially the way you keep repeating yourself about “the feelz” which makes you sound very mature 😂