Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

Funnily enough transmen don't seem to be clambering to use men's changing rooms and be sent to men's prisons. Perhaps OP would like them to? This would make perfect sense given that sex is of no social consequence apparently.

Why do you keep using an apostrophe in, "its"? You do realise that's a contraction of, "it is" and not a possessive?

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Utter bullshit

The thing about most of the trans activists trying to position themselves as 'reasonable' now that the tide is turning - they are almost invariably only looking out for their own interests.

I'm not so familiar with Alexis Blake, but someone like Brianna Wu is still advocating for people like him to have access to women's spaces - and using the usual tactics to get his own way (emotional manipulation).

I find Brianna's content interesting and engaging, but that doesn't change the fact that he is happy to put women at risk for his own gratification.

So yeah, don't fall for it.

Thanks for your response. What often is shared when talking about gender is that it is intrinsically linked to biology, and that there are only two biological sexes present in nature, in humans - male & female. That to think otherwise, is unnatural. In nature, biological sex and gender - is not rigid. It can and does change. In humans we also have in biology, intersex - as well as male and female. We have people born with both male and female sex organs. Using this fact, We can see we have at least three genders, based on biology.

No. People with DSDs prove the binary nature of sex. There's only male and female. Every single person with a DSD is either male or female. There is no third sex.

It’s very sad that so many people hate their bodies. It’s also deeply concerning that don’t have a grip on reality and genuinely think they can switch between the sexes. You’re part of the problem by arguing that trans-identifying men really are women. Being a ‘woman’ isn’t something you opt into or decide to choose because you prefer it to being a man. You can certainly try to ‘act’ like a woman by wearing what you think are feminine clothes and adopting feminine mannerisms. But it doesn’t change reality. So when you say they are women, this isn’t grounded in reality. It’s your belief. If they are women why are they transitioning?

Ideally, these people would have therapy and get to the bottom of why they are so miserable in their own skins. I mean, it’s trans activists who keep arguing trans people will kill themselves. If they really can’t accept themselves they can live as if they are women. However, they can’t expect the sane world to go along with this and pretend not to see the reality.

I prefer the lady bears with willies article

Where to start with this?
I'm not trans, but it's not hard to imagine the difficulties a trans man (female at birth) may find themselves facing if they had to go into a female bathroom.
1 - no, you can't "always tell." Even if you insist your personal internal radar always can, women can and do get mistaken for men. Trans men are more than likely going to get stopped/harassed if they enter a women's bathroom.
2 - "women don't usually attack other women"
Are you having a laugh?! Not all women are sugar and spice, and secondary school girls toilets springs to mind.... could be horrendous places for bullying, certainly not a "safe space."

This point has been said for many years now.

There is no credible source of data that shows that medical transition reduces the suicides of those receiving cross sex hormones, puberty blockers and surgeries. Because often the patient realises that these treatments didn’t make them feel better. When they were under the impression that those were the key to feeling better.

Plus the issue is that the vast majority of the people receiving these treatments have underlying comorbid issues causing significantly poor mental health. And those conditions are not being diagnosed and treated.

There has been lots of discussion around some extreme transgender activist views that to treat some comorbid conditions should be considered ‘conversion’ therapy. This discussion is read and taken on by others who then refuse to explore these comorbities and instead insist that they want hormones and surgery. To find out that they needed to deal with those comorbities but have made their physical health now significantly worse.

Intersex people are still either male OR female. They are not in between or a third sex. You seem confused.

Also, intersex people have asked that they not be weaponised in this debate. Please respect their request.

People who transition to a gender other than their birth gender are trans. The rest of us are men and women. That's my first point all this cys crap annoys the f out of me.

But, their sex does not change, their gender changes. If we get the nomenclature right, everything else is easier.

I don't like what Trump is doing in terms of general discrimination, but trans women competing in sport against women is wrong on an absolutely fundamental level, so he has this spot on. Trans people need their own sports categories.

Trans people already have mental health impacts caused because they believe they are the wrong gender. We should, as another poster said support and help them. If they want to transition, that's their choice but they need to realise that not everyone is going to support them. Sexism is rife, and whilst that's not acceptable, trans people need to get in line with women, gay people & a small number of men who suffer sexism!

It is 'trans down' which means up.

Apologies rosie

it does say it…..but as others have said you are still only male or female

People cannot 'transition' to another gender as gender doesn't exist. And all of us are just men or women. Get the words right and everything else is crystal clear.

Can we instigate a zero tolerance policy for nonsense on this thread.

There are two sexes. No third sex or in between sex exists.

Mammals cannot change sex. Your sex is encoded in every single cell of your body.

DSDs (not 'intersex') exist. They are sex specific and do not counter any of the above information. They have zero to do with the 'trans' debate and that community have asked not to be co-opted into the discussion.

Hope that helps.

Honestly, with Alexis Blake if I saw her in a woman’s toilet I wouldn’t have a problem at all. Toilets have cubicles. But that is my feelings and it might make someone else uncomfortable and therefore feel third spaces are important.

what I would have a problem with is a biological male in a female changing room. That would make me incredibly uncomfortable abd that’s where I feel the focus should be on.

The problem is that you can't just open up female spaces to the men you feel comfortable with. You allow in the bad guys too. I would go so far as to say that even your pet transwoman is the kind of man who clearly is comfortable violating female boundaries and is not one of the good guys.

This

Can I add in 'women with large clitorises are not born with both genitals'.

Honest to goodness do we have to do this all every fucking hour of every fucking day?

Yes exactly

It's absolutely infuriating, yes 🤯

Planned Parenthood are a child medical transition organisation who frequently sterilise children, so of course they have to post lies and propaganda to prop up their ideological practices.

It’s not likely they’ll have something on their website saying “sex is immutable and cannot change, gender is a social construct subject to variation in children. But despite this, we’re going to inflict irreversible changes on the bodies of children anyway”, is it?

If you’re going to be batshit, may as well go the whole hog.

More mental health support for dysphoria is clearly needed.
Lying to people, cutting them up and medicating them clearly doesn't work. No trans process has reached it's conclusion. Sex change is not possible. Time to end the experiment.

It’s gaslighting to expect people to use ‘she’ for someone they know is a ‘he’ and vice versa, would really struggle with this and find it humiliating and controlling, if someone’s sense of wellbeing depends on the rest of the world going along with a lie then it’s never going to end well.

Perhaps the TR movement could do some self-reflection and consider that insisting that women have to share changing rooms with male persons or see them cheat at sport and take their trophies and competition places from them or call their rapist ‘she’ in court might not have been a very sensible way to encourage sympathy for the very small number of genuine trans people?

And no one would have encouraged my sons to think they’re girls without me removing them from that school.

And ultimately yes, I agree with you.

i guess my point is that I have appreciated a more respectful discussion from someone who is not quite frankly mansplaining as I feel a lot of the trans activists are.