Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

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Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

But why would one bother? Hasn’t H12 made it clear it really doesn’t matter what sex one is as it has no impact on anything

Unfortunately it's very difficult to tell between true believers and wind up merchants, with this issue in general.

I think it's believe it's all patently absurd. I can't really take anyone seriously who claims to believe that TWAW.

*I think it's because it's all patently absurd

I too was brought up a Catholic and have been struck by the similarity in dogma, and the coercive tactics.
I was told repeatedly that if I didn’t believe, I’d go to Hell and burn for all eternity. The similarity in sentiment and language to some used by gender ideologues is remarkable. (I notice that GI people have now adopted “ideologue”, to describe GC people, not realising that it’s an inappropriate description for someone who supports reality vs fiction.)

Still no definition of female gender then?

Tumbleweed......

That feels like so long ago! I remember it as it felt like a breathe of fresh air to hear him say it.

If I remember, it was around the time when there was a non-debatable insistence that people could actually change sex. That surgeries and hormones materially changed the sex of a human. But after that was aired, wasn’t there a pivot to ‘no one is saying they actually change sex’ for a period of time?

Yet now we have a doctor in Fife declaring it they, a male person, is female. So, we are back again.

The similarity in sentiment and language to some used by gender ideologues is remarkable. (I notice that GI people have now adopted “ideologue”, to describe GC people, not realising that it’s an inappropriate description for someone who supports reality vs fiction.)

The DARVO reversals are the TRA signature tactic.

But after that was aired, wasn’t there a pivot to ‘no one is saying they actually change sex’ for a period of time?

There was indeed.

XX XY . Fundamental.

Aren’t they just!

And the Earth is flat.

It makes no difference to you that it is flat does it, so you must agree with me. Do you?

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Please could you write a definition of female gender?

Just a short definition, shouldn't take long.

Thanks.

We had the build up with McKinnon / Ivy’s interviews making the point that they had indeed changed sex and that as a philosophy university lecturer, they were interviewed internationally. And we saw others who claimed they had changed sex.

Then Dr Winston said no one changes sex. And it was then said that no one was saying that they could change sex at all, and that everyone misunderstood.

And that no people with transgender identities believed they could change sex or even said it. But the messaging has been forgotten. Now we have junior doctors declaring they are indeed female when they are male.

There's also the constant switching between gender and sex with no consistent logic.

We're told that gender is different to sex so you can't change sex but you can transition to a new gender but then we are expected to treat people as if they were the sex that matches their new gender.

I agree with this in the sense of biology. I do however think that this man is a woman in her mind, and born in the wrong biological body (that body is either biologically male, or biologically female, as much as they would prefer it to be otherwise). You can only change that body to an extent using science, and there is no uterus and different pelvic organs.

People don't attempt to change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations. At the end of all of this, they have a body that is as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

No one has ever changed sex because it’s impossible.

A large proportion of trans people don't take any hormones or have any surgery. Neither of these things are required to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment or to be issued a gender recognition certificate that makes you legally the opposite sex

There isn’t one, but people use "lived experience" in a silly attempt to make their experiences sound more intense, more important and more deserving of respect.

Why are you tagging me?

I always think with or without operations they are always biologically the opposite sex. They have been born in the wrong body, and are just doing their best to feel happy. I am fortunate that I am not in that situation, and was born female and felt I was in the right body. I cannot imagine the opposite.

What is the difference between "lived experience" and "experience”

It’s used when people want their own opinion to trump actual fact. So, to be allowed to spout nonsense with free rein, essentially.

Nobody is born in the wrong body.

You can't consent for other women though. And a lot of women are very clearly saying that they do not want men who identify as not men in their female only spaces.

when it comes to spotting posters i can never tell

No. I’m sure you don’t have to 🫢

In your opinion. It is easy for us to say though, as we are happy with the sex we were born as. They will never biologically be the sex they want to be, that is obviously impossible.