Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

A male person remains male all
through their lives and in some situations sex matters.

While you are not impacted, it impacts other people’s lives negatively though. So they discuss it to work through the issues they face and what they can do about it.

TW are men. Born and die men.

I always think of TWAW as being in the same vein as the believe in transubstantiation in the Catholic church. It's a dogma, you are required to believe that the host turns into the literal flesh of Christ but, despite that I grew up surrounded by practicing catholics (including an aunt who was a nun) I can't think of that many people who actually believe it if you question them on it.

Yeah you’re completely right, it’s not as if being a woman had any effect on someone’s life is it?

it’s not as if women having particular illnesses that can only affect their body because they’re actual women

its not as if being the only sex that can have children in anyway impacts on women’s lives and the assumptions made about them

its not as if being a woman means on average you’ll get paid less and have a worse pension

I mean if you genuinely think being a woman has literally no affect on your life as compared to a man then you must live in a bubble of just you

I'm a cisgender woman

It's lovely that you choose to adopt this in-group identity label on behalf of your friends. Most people reject it though.

Women are female, men don't qualify. A transgender woman to me is a biologically female person who for whatever reason believes she is a man. I realise that's confusing for genderists, so I simply don't use the term.

I finished in 2005, of course we study gender issues.

Well, I finished my PhD in biology in 1999 and have worked in biological research ever since.

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

but by the same token, why would you care if someone doesn’t call them by their correct gender. That doesn’t threaten them or anything either- particularly if it is out with their presence.
Or is it different then- women getting uppity and saying No to men?

I would love to see Prof Winston give a 5 minute run down on this for us all. But yes, it would be great to have Profs Winston and Dawkins give a lecture on it at medical schools across the world.

I'll never forget Buck Angel telling the tale of how she was in agony in a Mexican hospital and desperate for them to realise she was female as she was whisked to the operating theatre.

Agree. It's a performative utterance, to demonstrate your loyalty the cult.

But it's also the lie that it all rests upon. It's fundamental to any semblance of reasonableness.

Once you concede that bit is horseshit, you have to admit that you just want to give special men free goodies at the expense of women.

And suddenly you see the men's rights movement for what it is.

my degree was in biology

but I graduated in 1991, before any trans madness had infected society

even in plants there are only two gametes

sex is one of the true binaries in mammals, we DO. NOT. CHANGE. SEX

it's very alarming what they are teaching in the biological sciences nowadays, I've seen this idiotic concept of "gender" inserted into biological science textbooks at university level

would just like to add one more question to the trans supporting people on this thread, one which has only ever been answered with a circular definition:

how exactly can we tell the difference between a real transwoman (man who wants to be a woman) and a man just pretending to be a transwoman so that he can more easily access woman only spaces and defend his presence there?

what is the difference?

But it's also the lie that it all rests upon. It's fundamental to any semblance of reasonableness.

Once you concede that bit is horseshit, you have to admit that you just want to give special men free goodies at the expense of women.

And suddenly you see the men's rights movement for what it is.

Yep

What is noted? You've said TWAW so there is nothing left to note, by your own logic

another point I've not yet seen made on this thread:

interesting that all the things that gender ideologues say makes a woman a woman are all things that men can acquire or buy, such as makeup, hair, clothing and surgery

yet all the things that make women biologically women; absence of Y chromosome (or more specifically, absence of a functioning SRY gene), uterus, ovaries, menstruation, ovulation... cannot be acquired or bought by men

I'm still gobsmacked that Fiona Bruce's response to Prof Winston saying that humans can't change sex on Question Time was that some people may disagree.

If people don't know who Prof Winston is he's the UKs leading expert on human sexual reproduction and fertility

‘Delusions present; patient thinks they are a woman’

Is @H112 going to explain what makes men turn into women from a medical perspective?

TWAW is a mantra alright. I think you are mostly right and people who support gender identity theory vary as to whether they believe it or just repeat it without really thinking about it.

Sadly, I do think that some people
really do believe it?

Your whole argument is so silly that I find it hard to believe you’re being serious. I think you’re writing all this tongue in cheek just to enjoy the responses. But just in case:

• An individual can have whatever "innate experience of themself" they like. That doesn’t mean everyone else has to deny the reality they can see or know, any more than we should all agree with an anorexic girl that she is too fat just because that’s how she sees herself. What is really gaslighting is trying to force people to say, against their will, that a person really is a woman when they know he isn't (and vice versa).
• The presence of a penis or vagina in a newborn baby is simply a quick and handy way of indicating their sex. In a tiny proportion of unfortunate individuals whose development in the womb has not proceeded normally it might be unreliable, but generally speaking it is an accurate indicator of the probable internal reproductive organs and the chromosomes to be found in every cell of an individual's body. Cosmetic surgery to create or remove a penis or vagina to imitate the external genitalia of the opposite sex has no effect on a person's DNA and no more makes a person a member of the opposite sex than darkening her skin and having her hair permed make Rachel Dolezal a black woman. She is just a white woman who "feels" she is black. But she isn’t.

So in the hospital setting patients' actual sex is noted.

No escaping reality sometimes, is there?

Is @H112 going to explain what makes men turn into women from a medical perspective?

That would be fascinating. At what point is womanhood attained?

I swear, the internet is making people dumber

when I went to university to study science we had a decent appreciation of the work and intellectual rigour required for the subject, and a respect for those who achieved its highest levels

now that seems to be gone

opinions are now treated as facts

and you have no idea of the age, level of education or even sex of the people you're speaking with online

which elevates the less experienced and less knowledgable opinions to the same level as those with vast experience and knowledge

dangerous IMO

I think it's partly how we have gotten to a place where so many people, especially those educated after about 2005 (thereabouts) really can believe TWAW

If you look at the statistics of all trans people in prison for sexual offences, the majority of them are trans women (born as men)

Of the 129 trans women in prison, 76 of them have at least one conviction of sexual assault, this is a far higher proportion than 'cis men'. 17% of cis men in prison are in there for a sexual offences, compared to over HALF of trans women (men)?

Obviously we all know the statistics for rape are dominated by biological men. 99% of rapes convicted are done by men.

If these trans women are women and have the brains of women, why are they committing typically male offences? And why are they in prison for sexual offences at much higher rates than cis men?

If identifying as a woman makes you a woman, surely we'd be seeing trans women being the 1% of sexual offenders in prison, much like cis women?

This is not saying that all trans women are sexual offenders or all men are sexual offenders. We keep men out of women's prisons, bathrooms and changing rooms though partly because of the propensity for sexual violence and to protect women. Why shouldn't that apply to trans women who actually display an even higher propensity to sexual violence than cis men?

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/default/#:~:text='Of%20the%20125%20transgender%20prisoners,'

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

@H112

Great, fantastic, glad you are here. As someone who has been to med school and is insistent that we are all wrong about gender, please can you explain what it actually is?

Ta very much...

Sadly, I do think that some people ereally do believe it?

Unfortunately it's very difficult to tell between true believers and wind up merchants, with this issue in general.