Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

They aren't though. They are men. Facts are important.

Transw are men, it's the sole and absolute qualification. Wearing a skirt and make-up doesn't make them women.

lol of course they’re not, otherwise they’d just be women wouldnt they?

and you might not be bothered about women being redefined as “adult human females and men who perform larp of female stereotypes” but I bloody do.

how about if redefine children to mean “juvenile humans and adults should really feeeel young”? Or drivers “to people who passed their driving test and people who didn’t but really feeel like they can drive’?

I am not implying anyone on this thread was you at all. I made the point about the linked thread because the other poster referred to you. Not because I believed you were on the thread. Whether you were even on this thread was not relevant.

I am not obsessed with me changers. I notice patterns in posting just as others do.

I also encourage anyone who wants to name change to do so, just like I encourage anyone who wishes to post on MN to do so. MN is great, we should all be on here reading and discussing as much as possible about topics that interest us.

Lots of things don’t affect my daily life as a woman, but I care about them, as do many other women.

Transwomen are men, biological males. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be trans.

Pity you weren't in med school with me so. You're all so ignorant in the UK when it comes to transpeople. Is it not being thought in schools or through the NHS?

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

Do people really think this line of argument is likely to be convincing to anyone else?

"Trans women are women so I have no idea why any of you are objecting to these women who are just the same as other women using women's spaces"

It's because they are men. Any man, however absurd it is, and however misogynistic that man is, according to your mantra can say he is a woman tomorrow and you will have to respect that he is and has always been a woman, and let him speak over women about his marginalised experience of being a male woman.

That's the problem here.

This is a good read. Thanks for archive link borntobequiet.

Why do you care about being a women or what it means be a woman though?? I'm a cisgender woman and couldn't give a sht who called themselves one. It doesn't effect anything or any of our rights.

Pity you weren't in med school with me so

Seriously. You were in medical school? We all need to be worried.

Though mostly people who get into medical school can spell, so perhaps not.

I’m glad I wasn’t in med school with you yes 😂. Being male is literally the only prerequisite for being a trans woman.

I care because sex matters, as does facts over feelings. This stupid reality denying stance is affecting a lot of women.

Please take your own advice (and stop being silly).

You're a medic and you think TWAW? I take it you treat your patients as their chosen identity then? Hope that doesn't cause serious harm.

Pity you weren't in med school with me so.

Seriously, are they teaching that utter nonsense at med school now?

Seriously. You were in medical school? We all need to be worried.

With Dr Upton maybe?

I finished in 2005, of course we study gender issues.

We had two trans students, both female to male though

They may not affect your daily life, but what about the women who are affected?

Those having to share a prison cell with a man because 'transwomen are women 🙄'.

Those unable to access single sex rape counselling, or domestic abuse refuges, or intimate care for the sick or disabled, or sports women having to give up their opportunities because 'transwomen are women 🙄'.

They aren't a concern for you, no? Because you're alright Jack?

I think we might need to persuade Prof Robert Winston to do a tour of medical schools to explain humans sex to med students

Took the words out of my mouth. I like my doctors to understand biology and to be able to spell basic words

Over 18s yes. In the hospital system it is noted as issues can arise with blood tests etc

I think someone is on the wind up. Well there was a time when you would hope so, now we have adults walking about really believing this shit. What a time to be alive 🙄.

I’m going to identify as being 16 again, when people still apparently had brains and were able to think critically.

God help us all. 2025 - what a time to be alive 🙄

Because woman isn't a gender, its a sex, one of only two possible in humans, and that sex determines everything about our biological body. Even if you change your external presentation, your sex will be relevant medically.

If this is what they're 'teaching' in med school, I vote we burn the whole thing down and start again

Well now we know. Thank you for your expert opinion.