Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

I see. And you are accusing people of bullying you while it is you who is bullying others?

And now you are just resorting to more personal attacks.

Gosh who actually cares ? The thread should really have moved on from this by now. I was openly mocked by you on this thread before I used any emoji. This is what happens when you treat people with disrespect you see. You get disrespected in return I’m afraid .

Why do you keep popping up on threads you don’t care about to tell people that you don’t care?

Edited to add - these threads 🤔

all bullying is wrong….Hidden bullying is gutless

oh you again. What ? Do you even know what I am talking about when I said who actually cares ? Because I wasn’t referring to the topic of the thread

A smiling emoji on a post I found amusing is just unforgivable abuse isn’t it? Oh I’m going to hell that’s for sure. Lol.

From your posts over a couple of threads I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about never mind me.

Mammalian sex is binary
it is determined at conception
it never changes
https://www.hfea.gov.uk/treatments/embryo-testing-and-treatments-for-disease/

All because I said some of the posts about toilets are nonsensical I’ve had nothing but alerts to messages all day telling me how wrong I am, how irrational and stupid I am etc etc. funny I notice it’s the same people on all these threads who act this way and gang up on anyone who disagrees with them on any point even if it’s a minor one. It’s ridiculous. May as well just discuss among yourselves. There is no point anyone else getting involved in such threads.

Sorry which posts specifically do you mean ?
Can you elaborate .

and now with the exaggeration

It is hard to follow isn’t it? There have been accusations that posters have bullied, yet the accused thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji. Accusations of mocking, yet the poster has accused posters of posting nonsensical comments and stupid questions.

All while declaring they cannot express an alternative opinion while posting accusations and what amounts to personal attacks while
posting thos alternative comments. It is a form of negative feedback farming, post an opinion, but include comments that dismiss, or diminish or derogate others so peoole respond and accusations of not accepting that alternative opinion are made.

And when the behaviour is pointed out, posters need to seek help and who cares anyway?

It is remarkable really. But it isn’t surprising from posters who dismiss women who state that they need single sex toilets. It does seem all too familiar.

I think it might be a good idea for you to sit down and have a jolly good think about where on earth this nonsense came from.

This has come out of nowhere and has only been around for about 10 years. Those of us like me who are in their 60s never met a single person throughout our entire schooling, our neighborhoods, our clubs, our groups, our families, our college, our university, our workplaces who identified as being the opposite sex and then went around aggressively demanding that everyone bows down to their wishes, their pronouns, and all the rest of the nonsense that goes with it.

You're not the only one who's noticed.

A few weeks ago someone posted in site stuff complaining about this behaviour on the FWR board, they all turned up there and shouted her down while mocking her between them.

It was quite incredible. The irony was shocking.

They turned up asking for receipts. Naturally. They didn’t get any (shock).
Wash rinse repeat. And to some this is ‘shouting down’ and ‘mocking’.
No. You state something you at least try and back it up with something, anything. If you can’t you’re going to be called out.

You assume incorrectly.

The reason you won't read the comments is because you prefer to bury your head in the sand - if you read the comments you'll be forced to realise many of them make sense.

this one you mean?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sitestuff/5261547-fwr

Where the poster, a known regular, despite the name change. posted a thread that mischaracterised other regular posters actions while never acknowledging their own negative generalisations in their posts and that they resort to personal attacks as they did on that thread.

Something they conveniently didn’t mention. The name change didn’t hide who the poster was.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters are regularly bullied.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters are regularly bullied.

apologies.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters on MN are regularly bullied.

“yet the accused thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji.”

should be

yet the poster thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji.

It is this simple basic logic that was responsible for the term transsexual being coined - so yes, an individual can change their biological sex and a post op transgender woman is therefore a biological woman.

So if I have to have my breasts removed and a hysterectomy, does that make me a man?

You CANNOT change your biological sex because your chromosomes are in every single cell of your being.

Cutting off your penis and having a new surgical fistula produced does not make you a woman, nor does having a large penis shaped organ sewn to your mound of Venus make you a man.

Honestly, you have some gall saying that Helleofabore is engaging in 'hidden bullying.

Anyone reading these posts can see who the aggressor is.

But it is such a good example of gaslighting from TRAs.

Anyway, lets stop feeding Cornflakes.

The detraction from the point of the thread is deliberate.

Women, as a sex class do not include men, even ones who really think they are women.

There is no excuse for males to be in women's single sex spaces when they know that many women say no.

Males, (including transwomen) who engage in such behaviours are predators. They literally don't care about women's consent.

I know. Cornflakes doesn't realise they are proving the point of women.

Or maybe they are a double agent?

Why do you regularly claim to know who people are and that they are hiding behind name changes? It's a claim you make quite often. These are all anonymous strangers on an online forum, how you can possibly claim to know who anyone is?

Please enlighten us as to who this person is.